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Gregorian

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2. The key is to arrange employment so that there is no employer! The crucial part the USSR missed.
Sat Aug 1, 2015, 02:24 PM
Aug 2015

Marx has been demonized in this country. The whole point of the McCarthy era was to ensure that this arrangement did not take place. It was the rich's way of staying in control, and increasing their power and wealth.

We already have this system in the US in the form of profit sharing. It's not like some evil Red monster. What IS a monster is what we have, which has disabled the working class, and enabled the owners to say in control.

Communities of workers who make decisions and control their own employment. It's a community. It's commun-ism, and as long as the boss has been eliminated, it works.

If you've ever seen a company that uses profit sharing (like Hypertherm, who make plasma cutters) you will notice a distinctly different attitude among the people who work there. They aren't slaving away to make some guy rich. They are participating in the process, and benefiting from it.

Lower taxes, higher pay, in control. No wonder McCarthy got away with it.

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Damn straight. hifiguy Aug 2015 #1
The key is to arrange employment so that there is no employer! The crucial part the USSR missed. Gregorian Aug 2015 #2
Worker-owned enterprises are a big part of the fix. hifiguy Aug 2015 #12
+1 laundry_queen Aug 2015 #29
Most people don't differentiate between Socialist and Democratic Socialist notadmblnd Aug 2015 #3
Disagree here TeddyR Aug 2015 #4
Even the wealth inequality? jwirr Aug 2015 #11
Would you prefer laundry_queen Aug 2015 #31
K&R I'll be voting for a socialist in 2016 Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2015 #5
Yep. Arugula Latte Aug 2015 #6
Those countries are not democratic socialist states. former9thward Aug 2015 #7
Are you saying that they do not regulate their industries? I know that is what our industries want. jwirr Aug 2015 #10
He's saying that carbon-based energy makes up their top three exports. cherokeeprogressive Aug 2015 #13
Thank you. jwirr Aug 2015 #15
Oh yeah like you don't know what I'm talking about. former9thward Aug 2015 #17
Bye, Bye jwirr Aug 2015 #19
Ah, the World War II fantasy U.S.A.... hunter Aug 2015 #21
I was describing budgetary reality. former9thward Aug 2015 #22
Pretty simple to use that money for useful and inspiring things instead. hunter Aug 2015 #30
I agree with everything you say. former9thward Aug 2015 #32
Sounds like an added benifit to me. stone space Aug 2015 #33
Who is willing to do it? former9thward Aug 2015 #38
These folks are. stone space Aug 2015 #40
They are not running for President. former9thward Aug 2015 #41
So? stone space Aug 2015 #43
Which means they will not change the system. former9thward Aug 2015 #44
So we, the people don't matter? stone space Aug 2015 #46
Asked and answered. former9thward Aug 2015 #47
I'm assuming that's a big fat "no". stone space Aug 2015 #48
there are people so stupid in America olddots Aug 2015 #8
One of the big reasons that democratic socialism works in those countries is because the jwirr Aug 2015 #9
Profit should be banished from all basic human needs, hifiguy Aug 2015 #14
Well said. Thank you. jwirr Aug 2015 #16
The DMV does not make a profit, but Apple stores do. Nye Bevan Aug 2015 #36
The DMV. Absolutely. hunter Aug 2015 #45
Companies in those country make profits just like ours do. former9thward Aug 2015 #18
Agree 100% colsohlibgal Aug 2015 #20
I've been told that Americans are too anti-social ... GeorgeGist Aug 2015 #23
It only works in nondiverse, resource rich countries. AngryAmish Aug 2015 #24
Norway is resource rich. Sweden, Finland and the Netherlands, not so much. As for diversity, pampango Aug 2015 #25
Diversity is recent, and right wing govts get elected soon after. AngryAmish Aug 2015 #26
"As to my pessimism, the nondiverse folks will be deported." If RW governments get elected, pampango Aug 2015 #27
Why Settle For The Lesser Of Two Corporate Evils - Go Bernie Go cantbeserious Aug 2015 #28
America isn't Sweden or Norway. Drunken Irishman Aug 2015 #34
Ummm..... Sweden and Norway are capitalist countries. Nye Bevan Aug 2015 #35
Indeed, they are very much like the US under FDR. Capitalist but with high taxes, pampango Aug 2015 #37
Sweden, Norway, et. al. are 'capitalist' states, not 'democratic KingCharlemagne Aug 2015 #39
I agree. We're a generation or more away from getting even close. Adrahil Aug 2015 #42
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