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In reply to the discussion: We must do away with the absolutely specious notion that everybody has to earn a living. [View all]eppur_se_muova
(42,949 posts)28. It takes only a small percentage of the population to cover that completely ...
... and as automation increases, it will be even more so. For the rest, there are some real jobs, some makework, and unemployment.
A bigger question, of course, is what "needs" to be done ?
It is worth noting that in primitive* societies adults spend only about 20 hrs/wk procuring the necessities of life. Much of the rest of the time is spent in social interaction.
* In the literal sense, i.e. those that originated first. IIRC studies of both Australian aboriginal societies and African Bushmen hunter-gatherers have led to this conclusion.
1. The work is not burdensome because there is not too much of it.
According to several quantitative studies, hunter-gatherers typically devote about 20 hours per week to hunting or food gathering and another 10 to 20 hours to chores at the campsite, such as food processing and making or mending tools (e.g. Lee, 2003; Sahlins, 1972). All in all, the research suggests, hunter-gatherer adults spend an average of 30 to 40 hours per week on all subsistence-related activities combined, which is considerably less than the workweek of the typical modern American, if the Americans 40 or more hours of out-of-home work is added to the many hours spent on domestic chores.
One anthropologist, Marshall Sahlins (1972), has famously characterized hunter-gatherer societies collectively as the original affluent society. An affluent society, by Sahlinss definition, is one in which peoples material wants are easily satisfied. Hunter-gatherers are affluent not because they have so much, but because they want so little. They can provide for those wants with relatively little work, and, as a result, they have lots of free time, which they spend, according to one observer of the Ju/hoansi (Shostak, 1981, p 10), at such activities as singing and composing songs, playing musical instruments, sewing intricate bead designs, telling stories, playing games, visiting, or just lying around and resting. These are just the kinds of activities that we would expect of happy, relaxed people anywhere.
http://www.scholarpedia.org/article/Hunter-Gatherers_and_Play
According to several quantitative studies, hunter-gatherers typically devote about 20 hours per week to hunting or food gathering and another 10 to 20 hours to chores at the campsite, such as food processing and making or mending tools (e.g. Lee, 2003; Sahlins, 1972). All in all, the research suggests, hunter-gatherer adults spend an average of 30 to 40 hours per week on all subsistence-related activities combined, which is considerably less than the workweek of the typical modern American, if the Americans 40 or more hours of out-of-home work is added to the many hours spent on domestic chores.
One anthropologist, Marshall Sahlins (1972), has famously characterized hunter-gatherer societies collectively as the original affluent society. An affluent society, by Sahlinss definition, is one in which peoples material wants are easily satisfied. Hunter-gatherers are affluent not because they have so much, but because they want so little. They can provide for those wants with relatively little work, and, as a result, they have lots of free time, which they spend, according to one observer of the Ju/hoansi (Shostak, 1981, p 10), at such activities as singing and composing songs, playing musical instruments, sewing intricate bead designs, telling stories, playing games, visiting, or just lying around and resting. These are just the kinds of activities that we would expect of happy, relaxed people anywhere.
http://www.scholarpedia.org/article/Hunter-Gatherers_and_Play
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We must do away with the absolutely specious notion that everybody has to earn a living. [View all]
chalmers
Aug 2015
OP
I don't know but I'm pretty sure he never invented the robots to bestow this paradise upon us.
Nuclear Unicorn
Aug 2015
#4
Sure he did, he "worked" on his inventions. Some people are smart this way and others has to "work"
Thinkingabout
Aug 2015
#7
I thought the same thing but i think the reality will be closer to the jackass who shot Cecil
Nuclear Unicorn
Aug 2015
#40
"empty the chamber pots and clean the streets" is not for the sake of work
muriel_volestrangler
Aug 2015
#41
It takes only a small percentage of the population to cover that completely ...
eppur_se_muova
Aug 2015
#28
How many of these narcissistic assholes that expect others to foot the bill do you actually know?
notadmblnd
Aug 2015
#67
I worked w. that population ( sounds like you did/do too) and I'm inclined to disagree.
Smarmie Doofus
Aug 2015
#42
Given the choice between sitting in front of the TV all day and working...
lumberjack_jeff
Aug 2015
#77
The expectation negates free will when we are forced to do things we don't want to do, and
Zorra
Aug 2015
#103
My belief that people with disabilities should be 100% included in society...
lumberjack_jeff
Aug 2015
#104
We aren't there yet, but I think it is coming and sooner than most people realize.
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#119
Working for a living is a highly overrated pastime with few redeeming features.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Aug 2015
#54
Give it 10 years. The labor force participation rate will be about 20% or so
Recursion
Aug 2015
#121
Fuller is fighting the Bible, John Smith of the Massachusetts Bay Colony and Lenin.
merrily
Aug 2015
#60
In America, it's considered unfair for some to be workings and others not. Thus, forcing people...
AZ Progressive
Aug 2015
#70
It's not idealism when the reality is due to technological advances we will have 100's
JCMach1
Aug 2015
#83
I know lots of people that do not work. I'm one of them. I DO work on things I like to do..
BlueJazz
Aug 2015
#72
"Would I contribute to a society where some people don't work? Most likely."
lumberjack_jeff
Aug 2015
#79
Money. I already contribute my time and $ at various shelters. Not something I wish to discuss.
BlueJazz
Aug 2015
#86
Somtimes I wonder if just counteracting the continual propaganda might be enough.
bigmonkey
Aug 2015
#95