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tkmorris

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76. You have utterly missed the point

Sun Aug 2, 2015, 02:36 PM

Aug 2015

Actually no there isn't always a street to be swept. The cleaning of public streets used to employ hundreds in a fair sized city as it was strictly manual labor. Now, streetsweeping machinery means one person can do the work that formerly took a dozen or more.

This phenomena has been increasing productivity and eliminating jobs for decades, and really we're just getting started. 3D printing and it's assorted applications to manufacturing is just getting started for example, and that alone will eliminate literally MILLIONS of jobs across the globe. Software algorithims are replacing expert consultants and analysts in a wide variety of industries. Even fast food restaurants are becoming more automated.

On the whole I agree with you that "No one gets to sit on their ass all day because they want to", however finding useful things for everyone to do to avoid that is going to be a huge problem that will only ever get worse with time.

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We must do away with the absolutely specious notion that everybody has to earn a living. [View all] chalmers Aug 2015 OP

Massive K&R..... daleanime Aug 2015 #1

Did Fuller earn a living? Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #2

I don't know but I'm pretty sure he never invented the robots to bestow this paradise upon us. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #4

Sure he did, he "worked" on his inventions. Some people are smart this way and others has to "work" Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #7

Did Jesus cross the Rubicon? chalmers Aug 2015 #6

Jesus walked across the surface of the Rubicon. virtualobserver Aug 2015 #33

He was a college professor. Gidney N Cloyd Aug 2015 #47

Sure he worked. Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #51

Are you kidding? WinkyDink Aug 2015 #112

The response was to the OP, I know he worked. Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #118

This message was self-deleted by its author Alkene Aug 2015 #3

While I agree with Aristotle on this one point Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #10

And Aristotle was so much duller than hifiguy Aug 2015 #80

I love his "gadfly" technique. Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #84

Nowhere is the Socratic method employed with more systematization hifiguy Aug 2015 #99

well, trade bills and guest worker visas are a good start in that direction HFRN Aug 2015 #5

Is he saying -- Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #8

Would you work if you didn't have to worry about societal needs? chalmers Aug 2015 #12

Absolutely. I want to know I am useful. alphafemale Aug 2015 #20

Actually slugs have to do a lot to maintain their existence chalmers Aug 2015 #23

Touche' then. alphafemale Aug 2015 #26

labor and sheter in what way chalmers Aug 2015 #32

Agree. n/t lumberjack_jeff Aug 2015 #52

Would it make me a better person? Probably not. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #39

I think nearly every not lazy person wants to work and contribute. alphafemale Aug 2015 #55

Speaking as a disabled person Mojorabbit Aug 2015 #88

You can read a book into a recording from home alphafemale Aug 2015 #93

Yes and I am. Mojorabbit Aug 2015 #101

Depends upon what you mean by work. salib Aug 2015 #105

Can't wait.......lol EX500rider Aug 2015 #29

I thought the same thing but i think the reality will be closer to the jackass who shot Cecil Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #40

Probably. KamaAina Aug 2015 #141

So who does the work then? Who builds and fixes stuff? nt geek tragedy Aug 2015 #9

I think we could consider it TBF Aug 2015 #13

This is a big problem in the US. geek tragedy Aug 2015 #19

I really think the path Needa Moment Aug 2015 #74

Yep. hunter Aug 2015 #96

+1 n/t Admiral Loinpresser Aug 2015 #129

Very Succinct Needa Moment Aug 2015 #140

+1 ronnie624 Aug 2015 #124

In the very near future, the robots pediatricmedic Aug 2015 #18

�kta m�nniskor~~~!!!!!! REAL HUMANS!!!!! MADem Aug 2015 #128

A terrific statement gratuitous Aug 2015 #11

Where....... WillowTree Aug 2015 #78

Print more money! FrodosPet Aug 2015 #91

Cut a couple of days out of the defense budget gratuitous Aug 2015 #100

Who will empty the chamber pots and clean the streets? seveneyes Aug 2015 #14

Work towards what, "progress" towards what? chalmers Aug 2015 #17

Very few people are working towards a cohesive society. Igel Aug 2015 #21

"empty the chamber pots and clean the streets" is not for the sake of work muriel_volestrangler Aug 2015 #41

Who cares if the streets are filthy? FrodosPet Aug 2015 #92

It takes only a small percentage of the population to cover that completely ... eppur_se_muova Aug 2015 #28

What a lovely thought! WillowTree Aug 2015 #75

Certainly true for males Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #125

should be an op elehhhhna Aug 2015 #130

We can use republican voters for the shist jobs. ileus Aug 2015 #64

I would rather not have to work for a living pintobean Aug 2015 #15

Why is it "utopian?" scscholar Aug 2015 #85

I don't think it's work itself that is a problem. ladyVet Aug 2015 #16

Right - we definitely need to get off that merry-go-round TBF Aug 2015 #24

I have no problem with helping people that cannot work. alphafemale Aug 2015 #25

examples please chalmers Aug 2015 #31

This thread is promoting the very notion. alphafemale Aug 2015 #34

How do you enforce that? dumbcat Aug 2015 #98

The quote in OP suggests that they will contribute and accomplish. salib Aug 2015 #106

How many of these narcissistic assholes that expect others to foot the bill do you actually know? notadmblnd Aug 2015 #67

This message was self-deleted by its author dumbcat Aug 2015 #108

Oh Bucky. *sigh* X_Digger Aug 2015 #22

If you think that is utopian bullshit chalmers Aug 2015 #30

Right, because it's either / or! (Not.) n/t X_Digger Aug 2015 #38

Brett and Jemaine are all over this... SidDithers Aug 2015 #27

This type of thinking is a sure fire way for Skidmore Aug 2015 #35

Maybe a bit off topic, but republicans force severely developmentally disabled Zorra Aug 2015 #36

I worked w. that population ( sounds like you did/do too) and I'm inclined to disagree. Smarmie Doofus Aug 2015 #42

No, that's not my point. Getting severely DD/other folks out in the community, Zorra Aug 2015 #48

Absolutely. It is the tyranny of the pragmatist. salib Aug 2015 #107

Yeah, my mom used to work at the Federal Reserve Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #127

Completely and vigorously disagree. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2015 #53

Who are you to say what is good for them? I'm saying give them choices about Zorra Aug 2015 #61

Given the choice between sitting in front of the TV all day and working... lumberjack_jeff Aug 2015 #77

So, do you believe that every developmentally disabled person Zorra Aug 2015 #82

I am good friends with the parents of a young woman... lumberjack_jeff Aug 2015 #94

The expectation negates free will when we are forced to do things we don't want to do, and Zorra Aug 2015 #103

My belief that people with disabilities should be 100% included in society... lumberjack_jeff Aug 2015 #104

K&R Solly Mack Aug 2015 #37

how do we decide who has to work and who gets to play all his life? mainer Aug 2015 #43

Post removed Post removed Aug 2015 #44

There ARE people such as you describe tkmorris Aug 2015 #59

There is always a street that can be swept. alphafemale Aug 2015 #63

You have utterly missed the point tkmorris Aug 2015 #76

In Moscow circa 1984 Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #136

Just curious... does your own hard work make the world a better place? hunter Aug 2015 #110

I feel that most hard work every single day isn't compensated mainer Aug 2015 #114

Wow, great point. Thanks. Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #138

You may mean that as a warning; Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #137

OMG BainsBane Aug 2015 #45

So how do you enforce the idea dumbcat Aug 2015 #73

Under both socialism and capitalism BainsBane Aug 2015 #81

So you are saying that it is not, "to each according to his need?" dumbcat Aug 2015 #97

We aren't there yet, but I think it is coming and sooner than most people realize. stevenleser Aug 2015 #119

Bread and circuses, it's all good folks. jalan48 Aug 2015 #46

I disagree. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2015 #49

i think we also have to consider restorefreedom Aug 2015 #50

Working for a living is a highly overrated pastime with few redeeming features. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2015 #54

Wow. What a total bullshit philosophy. Buzz Clik Aug 2015 #56

I don't think it's total bullshit Major Nikon Aug 2015 #102

Give it 10 years. The labor force participation rate will be about 20% or so Recursion Aug 2015 #121

I support this idea Hydra Aug 2015 #57

My objection is that humanity tends toward free riding mythology Aug 2015 #113

Well, here's the problem Hydra Aug 2015 #116

There are many experiments and attempts to prove that wrong... Newest Reality Aug 2015 #135

I think we have to continue to work ... JustABozoOnThisBus Aug 2015 #58

Fuller is fighting the Bible, John Smith of the Massachusetts Bay Colony and Lenin. merrily Aug 2015 #60

It's not a matter of innovation Hydra Aug 2015 #65

That is what they are trying to sell us--and I do not mean only Republicans. merrily Aug 2015 #69

Count me in.....I've got fish to catch, and this job shit is getting in the way. ileus Aug 2015 #62

Maybe you should make it your job to catch fish? notadmblnd Aug 2015 #71

I actually have two friends that fish for a living. ileus Aug 2015 #89

there seems to be a general assumption that anyone not "working" is idle.... mike_c Aug 2015 #66

Well that's fine ibegurpard Aug 2015 #68

In America, it's considered unfair for some to be workings and others not. Thus, forcing people... AZ Progressive Aug 2015 #70

It's not idealism when the reality is due to technological advances we will have 100's JCMach1 Aug 2015 #83

I know lots of people that do not work. I'm one of them. I DO work on things I like to do.. BlueJazz Aug 2015 #72

"Would I contribute to a society where some people don't work? Most likely." lumberjack_jeff Aug 2015 #79

Money. I already contribute my time and $ at various shelters. Not something I wish to discuss. BlueJazz Aug 2015 #86

Surprising that some find this upsetting, or pie-in-the-sky bigmonkey Aug 2015 #87

Well then that's socialism vs capitalism there AZ Progressive Aug 2015 #90

Somtimes I wonder if just counteracting the continual propaganda might be enough. bigmonkey Aug 2015 #95

Rather than "earning a living," what if we simply call it "work"? mainer Aug 2015 #109

Heh MFrohike Aug 2015 #111

There still has to be incentive to get an education and work for some madville Aug 2015 #115

That's exactly how it works Hydra Aug 2015 #117

I have been working full time for 40 years Skittles Aug 2015 #120

I'm with you... MrMickeysMom Aug 2015 #122

Oh, so THAT'S where the idea came from HeiressofBickworth Aug 2015 #123

A few years back 1939 Aug 2015 #131

depends what you call a living 6chars Aug 2015 #126

Amen. Human beings are not worker ants. Admiral Loinpresser Aug 2015 #132

Amen #2. Thank you. n/t OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #139

How many of the 1% actually EARN a living? hobbit709 Aug 2015 #133

there is lots to be done restorefreedom Aug 2015 #134

Did he ever read Vonnegut's Player Piano? KamaAina Aug 2015 #142