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AikidoSoul

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75. If you have problems with the word "natural" then you might not like this research by Nobel Laureate
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 03:52 PM
Aug 2015

Luc Montagnier:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dana-ullman/luc-montagnier-homeopathy-taken-seriously_b_814619.html

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Here, Montagnier is making reference to his experimental research that confirms one of the controversial features of homeopathic medicine that uses doses of substances that undergo sequential dilution with vigorous shaking in-between each dilution. Although it is common for modern-day scientists to assume that none of the original molecules remain in solution, Montagnier's research (and other of many of his colleagues) has verified that electromagnetic signals of the original medicine remains in the water and has dramatic biological effects.

Montagnier has just taken a new position at Jiaotong University in Shanghai, China (this university is often referred to as "China's MIT&quot , where he will work in a new institute bearing his name. This work focuses on a new scientific movement at the crossroads of physics, biology, and medicine: the phenomenon of electromagnetic waves produced by DNA in water. He and his team will study both the theoretical basis and the possible applications in medicine.

Montagnier's new research is investigating the electromagnetic waves that he says emanate from the highly diluted DNA of various pathogens. Montagnier asserts, "What we have found is that DNA produces structural changes in water, which persist at very high dilutions, and which lead to resonant electromagnetic signals that we can measure. Not all DNA produces signals that we can detect with our device. The high-intensity signals come from bacterial and viral DNA."

Montagnier affirms that these new observations will lead to novel treatments for many common chronic diseases, including but not limited to autism, Alzheimer's disease, Parkinson's disease, and multiple sclerosis.

Montagnier first wrote about his findings in 2009, (17) and then, in mid-2010, he spoke at a prestigious meeting of fellow Nobelists where he expressed interest in homeopathy and the implications of this system of medicine. (18)

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Support from Another Nobel Prize winner

Montagnier's new research evokes memories one of the most sensational stories in French science, often referred to as the 'Benveniste affair.' A highly respected immunologist Dr. Jacques Benveniste., who died in 2004, conducted a study which was replicated in three other university laboratories and that was published in Nature (19). Benveniste and other researchers used extremely diluted doses of substances that created an effect on a type of white blood cell called basophils.

Although Benveniste's work was supposedly debunked, (20) Montagnier considers Benveniste a "modern Galileo" who was far ahead of his day and time and who was attacked for investigating a medical and scientific subject that orthodoxy had mistakenly overlooked and even demonized.

In addition to Benveniste and Montagnier is the weighty opinion of Brian Josephson, Ph.D., who, like Montagnier, is a Nobel Prize-winning scientist.


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Josephson went on to describe how many scientists today suffer from "pathological disbelief;" that is, they maintain an unscientific attitude that is embodied by the statement "even if it were true I wouldn't believe it."

Even more recently, Josephson wryly responded to the chronic ignorance of homeopathy by its skeptics saying, "The idea that water can have a memory can be readily refuted by any one of a number of easily understood, invalid arguments."

In the new interview in Science, Montagnier also expressed real concern about the unscientific atmosphere that presently exists on certain unconventional subjects such as homeopathy, "I am told that some people have reproduced Benveniste's results, but they are afraid to publish it because of the intellectual terror from people who don't understand it."

Montagnier concluded the interview when asked if he is concerned that he is drifting into pseudoscience, he replied adamantly: "No, because it's not pseudoscience. It's not quackery. These are real phenomena which deserve further study."


Aikido Soul: If you read the link you will find a section called "The Misinformation That Skeptics Spread "

It goes like this:

It is remarkable enough that many skeptics of homeopathy actually say that there is "no research" that has shows that homeopathic medicines work. Such statements are clearly false, and yet, such assertions are common on the Internet and even in some peer-review articles. Just a little bit of searching can uncover many high quality studies that have been published in highly respected medical and scientific journals, including the Lancet, BMJ, Pediatrics, Pediatric Infectious Disease Journal, Chest and many others. Although some of these same journals have also published research with negative results to homeopathy, there is simply much more research that shows a positive rather than negative effect.

Misstatements and misinformation on homeopathy are predictable because this system of medicine provides a viable and significant threat to economic interests in medicine, let alone to the very philosophy and worldview of biomedicine. It is therefore not surprising that the British Medical Association had the sheer audacity to refer to homeopathy as "witchcraft." It is quite predictable that when one goes on a witch hunt, one inevitable finds "witches," especially when there are certain benefits to demonizing a potential competitor (homeopathy plays a much larger and more competitive role in Europe than it does in the USA).

Skeptics of homeopathy also have long asserted that homeopathic medicines have "nothing" in them because they are diluted too much. However, new research conducted at the respected Indian Institutes of Technology has confirmed the presence of "nanoparticles" of the starting materials even at extremely high dilutions. Researchers have demonstrated by Transmission Electron Microscopy (TEM), electron diffraction and chemical analysis by Inductively Coupled Plasma-Atomic Emission Spectroscopy (ICP-AES), the presence of physical entities in these extreme dilutions. (24) In the light of this research, it can now be asserted that anyone who says or suggests that there is "nothing" in homeopathic medicines is either simply uninformed or is not being honest
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I've always considered it quackery. n/t Lil Missy Aug 2015 #1
Like so many on DU, you have closed your mind. DU in general seems to have AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #18
Link to a scientific, peer-reviewed study, please. NYC Liberal Aug 2015 #23
There are literally hundreds of peer reviewed papers plus a "discovery" by a Nobel Laureate AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #32
Natural News? Really? Archae Aug 2015 #37
I think it's silly to consider ad hominem attacks from blogs AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #40
Fine, then show some actual evidence. Archae Aug 2015 #43
FAUX "News" has much in common with "Quackbusters", Stephen Barrett, American Council on Science and AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #47
OMG!!! The documentation of your article comes from the discredited Stephen Barrett, a/k/a AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #53
You post from naturalnews... SidDithers Aug 2015 #71
If you have problems with the word "natural" then you might not like this research by Nobel Laureate AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #75
For copyright purposes your only allowed to excerpt 4 paragraphs tammywammy Aug 2015 #77
So you want to pick on the Natural News citation too? Can't anyone on DU AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #175
Please edit your post to only a four paragraph excerpt. n/t tammywammy Aug 2015 #177
Well, now we know that everything I've posted will be trashed in you mind AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #205
You've managed to post to me twice on the same reply, yet still haven't edited your post tammywammy Aug 2015 #206
It's not the word "natural" that I have a problem with... SidDithers Aug 2015 #84
Who can blame any publication for picking up a great scientific story citing AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #108
Washington Times?... SidDithers Aug 2015 #111
She linked to NewsMax too. tammywammy Aug 2015 #112
Full moon was a couple nights ago, right?... SidDithers Aug 2015 #115
And the blue moon too... Historic NY Aug 2015 #259
And you always reply with "rofl" emojies. darkangel218 Aug 2015 #142
That's not true, Sid has quite a few responses in this thread without a rofl. tammywammy Aug 2015 #148
Only when it's appropriate... SidDithers Aug 2015 #200
because a good number of people here post shit that is fucking hilarious snooper2 Aug 2015 #228
No kidding! darkangel218 Aug 2015 #246
The best of it unintentionally so Major Nikon Aug 2015 #249
Mike Fucking Adams is an AIDS-denialist and a birther Major Nikon Aug 2015 #52
I did not defend Mike Fucking Adams. I criticised the method used AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #54
You regurgitated Mike Fucking Adams quackery Major Nikon Aug 2015 #80
Wrong. Don't know Mike Adams but do know the disreputable, laughable Quackwatch crew AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #90
AikidoSoul.... AlbertCat Aug 2015 #96
Thanks for your concern, but I've already been treated successfully AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #129
Homeopathy did not "cure" you. AlbertCat Aug 2015 #132
"value of homeopathy" -- the power to quickly separate fools from their money? X_Digger Aug 2015 #178
I know I'm asking for trouble by posting in this thread, mahatmakanejeeves Aug 2015 #227
ROFLMFAO LOL snooper2 Aug 2015 #229
Please, you can't really believe this drivel?! mr blur Aug 2015 #248
So NaturalNews is the gold standard, but Quackwatch is a joke Major Nikon Aug 2015 #98
You've put word in my mouth. Does that make you feel smart? AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #130
Series? Major Nikon Aug 2015 #149
..... tammywammy Aug 2015 #102
Please check your cited source. procon Aug 2015 #82
I don't read Natural News, but simply found the story about a well known and AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #131
You can't expect too much leeway when you use such a disreputable source. procon Aug 2015 #138
Appeal to authority. X_Digger Aug 2015 #182
Don't take it personally arikara Aug 2015 #186
Pshaw, all these 'fact' based people, demanding like 'proof' and shit. They should take it on faith! X_Digger Aug 2015 #190
How many times does it have to be said? It's just effing Water! GoneOffShore Aug 2015 #241
Hi. I understand Quantum Physics and I AM GOING TO DESTROY YOU. DetlefK Aug 2015 #233
+1000 Krytan11c Aug 2015 #234
Well Done, Detlef ProfessorGAC Aug 2015 #252
Thank you. MadrasT Aug 2015 #262
excellent post, thank you, I actually learned something today! steve2470 Aug 2015 #266
you might want to make an OP out of that, it's that good nt steve2470 Aug 2015 #267
oh yeah? Kali Aug 2015 #270
Does it count as homeopathy if I dilute water in alcohol? DetlefK Aug 2015 #281
oh yeah? You might understand quantum physics, Rainforestgoddess Aug 2015 #288
Oh, I know "quantum physics", "energy", "nano", "Einstein", "strings", "information"... DetlefK Aug 2015 #290
Nobody knows why aspirin works -- the mechanism of action, and yet, nobody goes nuts AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #154
See reply 156 n/t Krytan11c Aug 2015 #158
"Nobody knows why aspirin works" — Um, they most certainly do. NYC Liberal Aug 2015 #180
Correction: "Nobody who believes in homeopathy knows why aspirin works." Orrex Aug 2015 #202
Further correction: "nobody who believes in homeopathy understands how ANYTHING works" etherealtruth Aug 2015 #268
While not authoritative, you might check wikipedia before making claims about aspirin metalbot Aug 2015 #225
Not just aspirin, but magnets and the tides too! NickB79 Aug 2015 #291
There may be no evidence for your beliefs... cleanhippie Aug 2015 #31
So tell me, while I have actually studied the science, you are willing to AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #34
What actual "science" have you studied? What actual "scientific research" supports this? cleanhippie Aug 2015 #35
See reply number 23 to NYC Liberal -- NT AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #42
I'll save you the trouble of clicking through Major Nikon Aug 2015 #100
Your misrepresentation of my words is sad. You would lose any debate by doing this as AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #159
You post complete bullshit about homeoquackery and then insist on "truthful facts" Major Nikon Aug 2015 #163
The Hoary Anecdotal Evidence Fallacy Trotted Out Once Again To Stupefy The Ignorant... xocet Aug 2015 #74
If you are a scientist... Adrahil Aug 2015 #165
So you believe that if a given substance works, then diluting it 1,000,000 to 1 still works. hobbit709 Aug 2015 #83
Oh, it is much better than that.. A substance that HARMS you diluted by 10 to the 60th cures you. Thor_MN Aug 2015 #184
Lol whut? rjsquirrel Aug 2015 #222
No such thing as "alternative" medicine alarimer Aug 2015 #236
Magic memory water, tons of anecdotes and misguided research, and no evidence. Orsino Aug 2015 #254
Homeopathy is the very definition of quackery. /nt Marr Aug 2015 #257
Psychic Debunker The Amazing Randi used to Do a Homeopathic Bit in his speeches. doxyluv13 Aug 2015 #277
Promoting Homeopathy Is Unethical, Pure And Simple HuckleB Aug 2015 #282
Lil Missy, when your doctor gives you drugs does he explain the mechanism of action to you? AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #57
Jury results. This is pretty funny. pintobean Aug 2015 #97
Though I lack the patience to read Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #140
It has a hard time because it predates atomic theory and knowledge of the size of atoms muriel_volestrangler Aug 2015 #230
"homeopathy and science are mutually exclusive" etherealtruth Aug 2015 #2
"Do you know what they call alternative medicine that's been proven to work? Medicine." Electric Monk Aug 2015 #13
Fantastic video. I hope others click on it. hedda_foil Aug 2015 #21
Your reply is quite "light and dainty" like your poster name AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #19
Please tell me you are joking or have no idea what homeopathy is? etherealtruth Aug 2015 #86
Homeopathy cannot be explained simply and I won't attempt to do it here in this incredibly hostile AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #152
This message was self-deleted by its author tammywammy Aug 2015 #153
Arizona sciences better than you Krytan11c Aug 2015 #156
Your reference does NOT state the mechanism for pain relief, but only for thinning the blood to AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #185
We DO know how aspirin works. Adrahil Aug 2015 #164
My apologies. Apparently I didn't read this 1995 report which says, AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #204
Homeopathy will be accepted by people who understand science GoneOffShore Aug 2015 #271
Of course it's non-toxic.. it's water (and maybe sugar)! Let's just hope the sugar isn't HFCS. n/t X_Digger Aug 2015 #189
"...sums it up quite nicely". Your addition is lacking AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #36
You don't even know what homeopathy is do you? etherealtruth Aug 2015 #88
Not only, as etherealtruth pointed out, do you not seem to understand what homeopathy is... Silent3 Aug 2015 #91
It is quackery. Period. Archae Aug 2015 #3
Agreed 100%! tammywammy Aug 2015 #4
Are you an expert on homeopathy. What are your credentials? AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #20
Basic laws of physics. backscatter712 Aug 2015 #27
If you understood quantum physics, you could better understand why homeopathy works. AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #39
Ooh, the British Royals use it! backscatter712 Aug 2015 #41
Wow. You piss on the Royals and a Nobel Laureate. God knows who else you piss on, but I'll bet AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #63
Yes, the 'Royals' (mainly Prince Charles) are ignorant fuckers muriel_volestrangler Aug 2015 #72
You piss on the Royals and a Nobel Laureate. AlbertCat Aug 2015 #135
Woo woo credo #10 SidDithers Aug 2015 #67
I understand QM reasonably well. Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #70
quantum physics and medicine huh? Krytan11c Aug 2015 #121
Well do keep up with what you know. Don't want to scare you. AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #133
Thanks for your concern, but... Krytan11c Aug 2015 #139
Albert Einstein said, ""All matter is made up of energy in the form of electromagnetic frequencies." AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #55
You've convinced me. Orrex Aug 2015 #56
Hundreds of FDA approved drugs have been taken off the market. AND, Europe disallows AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #58
And never once has homeopathy been shown to work as described. Orrex Aug 2015 #60
Prove to me that homeopathy "never once has been shown to work as described" AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #64
Sory, but that's not how it works Orrex Aug 2015 #78
You have documented none of your empty remarks AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #113
Homeopathy is absolute bullshit from start to finish. Orrex Aug 2015 #117
$8 bucks?! Krytan11c Aug 2015 #125
Yep. Too funny. Only $3.69 for a 24-pack of Asprin at CVS. NYC Liberal Aug 2015 #191
You should be relieved to hear Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #151
There are also hundreds of drugs that are available in other countries, and banned in the US. SeattleVet Aug 2015 #209
Woo woo credo #36... SidDithers Aug 2015 #68
people couldn't see radio waves AlbertCat Aug 2015 #137
They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright brothers... NYC Liberal Aug 2015 #188
Well, it took you two seconds to write that. Nothing but AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #61
Complete and utter quackery sub.theory Aug 2015 #276
Wooo pipoman Aug 2015 #5
Homeopathy: shit and sugar. backscatter712 Aug 2015 #6
Water does retain a memory of every type of energy on the planet AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #22
Got proof? n/t backscatter712 Aug 2015 #28
Can you prove that water doesn't have a memory? UNESCO covened an international AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #66
Rule one of arguments Krytan11c Aug 2015 #127
The crickets are very loud. GoneOffShore Aug 2015 #274
Define energy in this context. longship Aug 2015 #46
"every type of energy on the planet" Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #73
Homeo is da bomb UnderDome Aug 2015 #94
welcome to DU Kali Aug 2015 #162
That and there's also homeopathic beer. backscatter712 Aug 2015 #194
Is this the kind of 'water' which is used in homeopathy? xocet Aug 2015 #87
There is a local alt med practitioner who gets patients AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #123
Nope not energy medicine Krytan11c Aug 2015 #128
from doctors who respect his ability to heal people that the docs can't help. AlbertCat Aug 2015 #144
Like in the video....? n/t xocet Aug 2015 #201
Did you watch the video? xocet Aug 2015 #263
Heheh... SidDithers Aug 2015 #269
Thanks for the link. I had not seen that. I spend too much time on DU relative to ScienceBlogs... xocet Aug 2015 #272
Keep it up and this thread is going to surpass MoonBombing Major Nikon Aug 2015 #101
That's gonna be tough. zappaman Aug 2015 #124
I think the poster that was called "Lil Missy" tkmorris Aug 2015 #210
Yep. I'm sure if he just keeps posting his frantic arguments over and over, he'll change minds... backscatter712 Aug 2015 #199
Even shit. AlbertCat Aug 2015 #141
Did you know water sleeps? You can get better memory retention when letting water sleep snooper2 Aug 2015 #231
You Forgot About The Soothing Music ProfessorGAC Aug 2015 #255
Have you tried playing Beethoven to your jar of water? bhikkhu Aug 2015 #264
Oh FFS, really? Nt Logical Aug 2015 #244
Sure doesn't. NuclearDem Aug 2015 #7
Next you'll say phrenology has no place in psychology. Binkie The Clown Aug 2015 #8
I prefer trepanation SwankyXomb Aug 2015 #239
Sorry, people. I disagree. I once had a very sore throat. I had a Homeopath-e-ist make me some.. BlueJazz Aug 2015 #9
Thank your immune system. Deadshot Aug 2015 #11
Well, you convinced me! zappaman Aug 2015 #93
Thank You, zappaman. I didn't have the courage to tell the poster before you I was kidding. BlueJazz Aug 2015 #95
It got a strong foothold here in the 19th century, because so many remedies back then eridani Aug 2015 #10
I agree. Deadshot Aug 2015 #12
That Mitchell and Webb Look: Homeopathic A&E FrodosPet Aug 2015 #14
Should be laws against this sort of grifting. nilesobek Aug 2015 #15
I was surprised how popular it was in Austria Recursion Aug 2015 #16
It's not just in Austria that homeopathy is used widely AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #24
It's still bullshit, no matter who buys into it. Orrex Aug 2015 #33
Buying into it is a safe thing to do. It costs very little and it works. But you do need AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #79
It doesn't work. HuckleB Aug 2015 #283
My God! Look at the comments following the article. COLGATE4 Aug 2015 #17
Homeopathy is complicated. My spouse has studied the Materia Medica for over twenty years AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #25
The placebo effect is a well-understood phenomenon COLGATE4 Aug 2015 #26
Colgate, I would love you as an ally. Would you please consider reading AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #76
There is no scientific case for homeopathy. The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2015 #29
Wrong. There is a scienfic case and I've made it. The author you cite is Edzard Ernst, who is AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #44
Explain how you get around Avogadro's number. The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2015 #45
Two or three Avogadro's will make terrific guacamole! Orrex Aug 2015 #51
The poster does not know what Avogaro's number is tkmorris Aug 2015 #213
So, so, so much horseshit disguised as word salad Godhumor Aug 2015 #48
Edzard Ernst is/was a homeopath. longship Aug 2015 #62
Homeopath supporters first have to explain how it works. longship Aug 2015 #30
"goes against everything we know" AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #65
Homeopathy has been around since 1796. longship Aug 2015 #81
Excellent post! GoneOffShore Aug 2015 #242
;-) nt longship Aug 2015 #243
From Paul Richter, cartoon caption: NCjack Aug 2015 #38
in today's world profit trumps truth olddots Aug 2015 #49
And homeopathy is bullshit in any world Orrex Aug 2015 #50
You hit the nail on the head. AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #110
On the old Fidonet... Archae Aug 2015 #59
DUers are notoriously ignorant of real science, but that doesn't stop many from AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #116
Lol! zappaman Aug 2015 #126
Of course. Archae Aug 2015 #136
I can't believe there are DUers arguing for homeopathy... SidDithers Aug 2015 #69
Huh? Are you doing a magic trick using a distraction technique Mr. Dithers? AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #105
Explain how an extreme dilution of any homeopathic solution... SidDithers Aug 2015 #118
Yeah, like NaturalNews Major Nikon Aug 2015 #157
Fifteen years ago, I might have argued that liberals accept science where conservatives do not. Act_of_Reparation Aug 2015 #224
I find it mostly depends on the science. alarimer Aug 2015 #238
The science is not really done by mega-corporations Major Nikon Aug 2015 #251
Ditto Johnny2X2X Aug 2015 #261
You've been here long enough to know SwankyXomb Aug 2015 #240
If homeopathy actually worked, even for some things sometimes, The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2015 #85
Big Pharma CANNOT make a profit from substances that it cannot patent. AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #99
Bullshit. Bayer makes billions on aspirin jberryhill Aug 2015 #134
Bayer makes billions on aspirin AlbertCat Aug 2015 #147
And then there's digitalis, which comes from the foxglove plant The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2015 #203
many drugs derived from plants have been synthesized by BigPharma, a/k/a AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #208
Except that there isn't any arsenicum in homeopathic remedies. The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2015 #212
And small amounts of arsenic can be good for the heart. AlbertCat Aug 2015 #235
+1 darkangel218 Aug 2015 #143
aw, it looks like there might be one person to defend and protect Kali Aug 2015 #168
"Their strategy is to spread medicine with Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #179
Oh look, the natural fallacy. X_Digger Aug 2015 #198
"What Big Pharma does is the OPPOSITE of homeopathy." - That's a good thing. Liberal Veteran Aug 2015 #237
Yes, it does mean you are wrong. Nt Logical Aug 2015 #247
Big pharma! zappaman Aug 2015 #253
It is heartening to see edhopper Aug 2015 #89
Well done! zappaman Aug 2015 #92
Ms. Zappaman, I'm sure "Natural News" is not all bad although it's only one source of information AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #103
I'm guessing you think it's funny/insulting to refer to people as female. zappaman Aug 2015 #122
I'm guessing you think it's funny/insulting to refer to people as female. AlbertCat Aug 2015 #150
I made no mention of the word "female" zappaman. NT AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #211
Oh, you dropped the Ms this time. zappaman Aug 2015 #221
and a genuine "medical professional" too! Kali Aug 2015 #145
Just like you, who didn't know what a "student nurse " was, and accused me of "making it up" darkangel218 Aug 2015 #146
gosh that makes so much sense! Kali Aug 2015 #155
You should Google student nurse. I know you have 0 medical training, that is why darkangel218 Aug 2015 #166
Did you know student nurses are not allowed in the spirit world? snooper2 Aug 2015 #232
Did you ever figure out that diet and acupuncture aren't homeopathic? tammywammy Aug 2015 #161
Oh yah. They are however, part of alternative medicine, which you still call quakery. darkangel218 Aug 2015 #167
Actually, you have no idea what I consider quackery. tammywammy Aug 2015 #171
I actually have a pretty good idea, from your previous posts. darkangel218 Aug 2015 #173
I'm sure she knows what a student nurse is tammywammy Aug 2015 #174
She didn't know what a student nurse was years ago. darkangel218 Aug 2015 #176
I could not care less about your squabble with Kali. tammywammy Aug 2015 #181
You could not care less? darkangel218 Aug 2015 #183
BTW, FYI, many hospitals here in FL, include alternative medicine in their plan of care. darkangel218 Aug 2015 #187
There are ALWAYS people willing to take your money tkmorris Aug 2015 #217
please won't you educate me about what a student nurse is? Kali Aug 2015 #196
You forget quickly what you post in the past , don't you?? darkangel218 Aug 2015 #223
well, when you link to it and we all see how you are totally off the wall wrong, Kali Aug 2015 #226
Blah blah blah lol! darkangel218 Aug 2015 #245
indeed - blah blah blah Kali Aug 2015 #265
It absolutely does work--and here's how!!!!!! MADem Aug 2015 #104
.... tammywammy Aug 2015 #106
There is also solid evidence that the "Placebo Effect" is evident AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #107
The point is, though, I could give you sterilized dog poop and TELL you it was homeopathic, MADem Aug 2015 #109
Homeopathic dog poop is available, btw... SidDithers Aug 2015 #114
Seriously? That's a thing? tkmorris Aug 2015 #218
It's a little difficult to stop anaphlactic shock with the "placebo effect" as it is a serious, life AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #170
My allergy dr uses homeopathy womanofthehills Aug 2015 #195
So glad to hear that you're doing well. Both MCS and its close cousin Toxic Encephalopathy are AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #215
Yes. darkangel218 Aug 2015 #169
That's why such drugs must demonstrate repeatable efficacy Major Nikon Aug 2015 #172
Yes, a lot of value in "cures" relying on ignorance... Thor_MN Aug 2015 #192
Don't waste your time with them . darkangel218 Aug 2015 #193
Thank you for your sweet comment. I've been beat up a lot here tonight. AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #216
Enjoy the embrace of the woo. GoneOffShore Aug 2015 #273
I'm a friend. 840high Aug 2015 #279
Duh. That does not justify promoting quackery. HuckleB Aug 2015 #284
+100 nt LostOne4Ever Aug 2015 #119
Homeopathy is pseudoscience. nt LostOne4Ever Aug 2015 #120
With a large helping of horseshit. GoneOffShore Aug 2015 #275
Hokey religions and ancient superstition are no match for real medicine. Agnosticsherbet Aug 2015 #160
People who believe in homeopathy are suffering from chakra misalignment. Liberal Veteran Aug 2015 #197
I know very little about homopathy davidpdx Aug 2015 #207
Long story short: it's moronic quackery. Arugula Latte Aug 2015 #214
Gotta explain it in a little more detail... backscatter712 Aug 2015 #219
Yeah, the chemistry and physics parts are not something I understand at all davidpdx Aug 2015 #220
I'll give you some relevant bits. backscatter712 Aug 2015 #250
I was an art major in college PasadenaTrudy Aug 2015 #256
Spot on Johnny2X2X Aug 2015 #260
Thanks davidpdx Aug 2015 #280
Not really. backscatter712 Aug 2015 #285
Thanks davidpdx Aug 2015 #289
I did not know they are allowed to sell homeopathic remedies at pharmacies. Rex Aug 2015 #258
They sell homeopathic asthma inhalers. LeftyMom Aug 2015 #278
That's disturbing. People die of asthma. backscatter712 Aug 2015 #286
Absolutely. LeftyMom Aug 2015 #287
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