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86. Please tell me you are joking or have no idea what homeopathy is?

Sun Aug 2, 2015, 04:33 PM

Aug 2015

It's shameful how ignorant DU is about scientific matters, except for a few who in fact are quite brilliant. .. I agree completely; sadly we have those that are completely ignorant of the natural sciences and believe that there is even a possibility homeopathy works.

I am praying you simply have conflated the term homeopathy with something else and simply don't understand. i want to believe that no-one here could possibly believe that water molecules have memory

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Homeopathy had No Place in Pharmacy: Canadian Pharmacist [View all] tammywammy Aug 2015 OP

I've always considered it quackery. n/t Lil Missy Aug 2015 #1

Like so many on DU, you have closed your mind. DU in general seems to have AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #18

Link to a scientific, peer-reviewed study, please. NYC Liberal Aug 2015 #23

There are literally hundreds of peer reviewed papers plus a "discovery" by a Nobel Laureate AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #32

Natural News? Really? Archae Aug 2015 #37

I think it's silly to consider ad hominem attacks from blogs AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #40

Fine, then show some actual evidence. Archae Aug 2015 #43

FAUX "News" has much in common with "Quackbusters", Stephen Barrett, American Council on Science and AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #47

OMG!!! The documentation of your article comes from the discredited Stephen Barrett, a/k/a AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #53

You post from naturalnews... SidDithers Aug 2015 #71

If you have problems with the word "natural" then you might not like this research by Nobel Laureate AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #75

For copyright purposes your only allowed to excerpt 4 paragraphs tammywammy Aug 2015 #77

So you want to pick on the Natural News citation too? Can't anyone on DU AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #175

Please edit your post to only a four paragraph excerpt. n/t tammywammy Aug 2015 #177

Well, now we know that everything I've posted will be trashed in you mind AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #205

You've managed to post to me twice on the same reply, yet still haven't edited your post tammywammy Aug 2015 #206

It's not the word "natural" that I have a problem with... SidDithers Aug 2015 #84

Who can blame any publication for picking up a great scientific story citing AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #108

Washington Times?... SidDithers Aug 2015 #111

She linked to NewsMax too. tammywammy Aug 2015 #112

Full moon was a couple nights ago, right?... SidDithers Aug 2015 #115

And the blue moon too... Historic NY Aug 2015 #259

And you always reply with "rofl" emojies. darkangel218 Aug 2015 #142

That's not true, Sid has quite a few responses in this thread without a rofl. tammywammy Aug 2015 #148

Only when it's appropriate... SidDithers Aug 2015 #200

because a good number of people here post shit that is fucking hilarious snooper2 Aug 2015 #228

No kidding! darkangel218 Aug 2015 #246

The best of it unintentionally so Major Nikon Aug 2015 #249

Mike Fucking Adams is an AIDS-denialist and a birther Major Nikon Aug 2015 #52

I did not defend Mike Fucking Adams. I criticised the method used AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #54

You regurgitated Mike Fucking Adams quackery Major Nikon Aug 2015 #80

Wrong. Don't know Mike Adams but do know the disreputable, laughable Quackwatch crew AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #90

AikidoSoul.... AlbertCat Aug 2015 #96

Thanks for your concern, but I've already been treated successfully AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #129

Homeopathy did not "cure" you. AlbertCat Aug 2015 #132

"value of homeopathy" -- the power to quickly separate fools from their money? X_Digger Aug 2015 #178

I know I'm asking for trouble by posting in this thread, mahatmakanejeeves Aug 2015 #227

ROFLMFAO LOL snooper2 Aug 2015 #229

Please, you can't really believe this drivel?! mr blur Aug 2015 #248

So NaturalNews is the gold standard, but Quackwatch is a joke Major Nikon Aug 2015 #98

You've put word in my mouth. Does that make you feel smart? AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #130

Series? Major Nikon Aug 2015 #149

..... tammywammy Aug 2015 #102

Please check your cited source. procon Aug 2015 #82

I don't read Natural News, but simply found the story about a well known and AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #131

You can't expect too much leeway when you use such a disreputable source. procon Aug 2015 #138

Appeal to authority. X_Digger Aug 2015 #182

Don't take it personally arikara Aug 2015 #186

Pshaw, all these 'fact' based people, demanding like 'proof' and shit. They should take it on faith! X_Digger Aug 2015 #190

How many times does it have to be said? It's just effing Water! GoneOffShore Aug 2015 #241

Hi. I understand Quantum Physics and I AM GOING TO DESTROY YOU. DetlefK Aug 2015 #233

+1000 Krytan11c Aug 2015 #234

Well Done, Detlef ProfessorGAC Aug 2015 #252

Thank you. MadrasT Aug 2015 #262

excellent post, thank you, I actually learned something today! steve2470 Aug 2015 #266

you might want to make an OP out of that, it's that good nt steve2470 Aug 2015 #267

oh yeah? Kali Aug 2015 #270

Does it count as homeopathy if I dilute water in alcohol? DetlefK Aug 2015 #281

oh yeah? You might understand quantum physics, Rainforestgoddess Aug 2015 #288

Oh, I know "quantum physics", "energy", "nano", "Einstein", "strings", "information"... DetlefK Aug 2015 #290

Nobody knows why aspirin works -- the mechanism of action, and yet, nobody goes nuts AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #154

See reply 156 n/t Krytan11c Aug 2015 #158

"Nobody knows why aspirin works" — Um, they most certainly do. NYC Liberal Aug 2015 #180

Correction: "Nobody who believes in homeopathy knows why aspirin works." Orrex Aug 2015 #202

Further correction: "nobody who believes in homeopathy understands how ANYTHING works" etherealtruth Aug 2015 #268

While not authoritative, you might check wikipedia before making claims about aspirin metalbot Aug 2015 #225

Not just aspirin, but magnets and the tides too! NickB79 Aug 2015 #291

There may be no evidence for your beliefs... cleanhippie Aug 2015 #31

So tell me, while I have actually studied the science, you are willing to AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #34

What actual "science" have you studied? What actual "scientific research" supports this? cleanhippie Aug 2015 #35

See reply number 23 to NYC Liberal -- NT AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #42

I'll save you the trouble of clicking through Major Nikon Aug 2015 #100

Your misrepresentation of my words is sad. You would lose any debate by doing this as AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #159

You post complete bullshit about homeoquackery and then insist on "truthful facts" Major Nikon Aug 2015 #163

The Hoary Anecdotal Evidence Fallacy Trotted Out Once Again To Stupefy The Ignorant... xocet Aug 2015 #74

If you are a scientist... Adrahil Aug 2015 #165

So you believe that if a given substance works, then diluting it 1,000,000 to 1 still works. hobbit709 Aug 2015 #83

Oh, it is much better than that.. A substance that HARMS you diluted by 10 to the 60th cures you. Thor_MN Aug 2015 #184

Lol whut? rjsquirrel Aug 2015 #222

No such thing as "alternative" medicine alarimer Aug 2015 #236

Magic memory water, tons of anecdotes and misguided research, and no evidence. Orsino Aug 2015 #254

Homeopathy is the very definition of quackery. /nt Marr Aug 2015 #257

Psychic Debunker The Amazing Randi used to Do a Homeopathic Bit in his speeches. doxyluv13 Aug 2015 #277

Promoting Homeopathy Is Unethical, Pure And Simple HuckleB Aug 2015 #282

Lil Missy, when your doctor gives you drugs does he explain the mechanism of action to you? AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #57

Jury results. This is pretty funny. pintobean Aug 2015 #97

Though I lack the patience to read Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #140

It has a hard time because it predates atomic theory and knowledge of the size of atoms muriel_volestrangler Aug 2015 #230

"homeopathy and science are mutually exclusive" etherealtruth Aug 2015 #2

"Do you know what they call alternative medicine that's been proven to work? Medicine." Electric Monk Aug 2015 #13

Fantastic video. I hope others click on it. hedda_foil Aug 2015 #21

Your reply is quite "light and dainty" like your poster name AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #19

Please tell me you are joking or have no idea what homeopathy is? etherealtruth Aug 2015 #86

Homeopathy cannot be explained simply and I won't attempt to do it here in this incredibly hostile AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #152

This message was self-deleted by its author tammywammy Aug 2015 #153

Arizona sciences better than you Krytan11c Aug 2015 #156

Your reference does NOT state the mechanism for pain relief, but only for thinning the blood to AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #185

We DO know how aspirin works. Adrahil Aug 2015 #164

My apologies. Apparently I didn't read this 1995 report which says, AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #204

Homeopathy will be accepted by people who understand science GoneOffShore Aug 2015 #271

Of course it's non-toxic.. it's water (and maybe sugar)! Let's just hope the sugar isn't HFCS. n/t X_Digger Aug 2015 #189

"...sums it up quite nicely". Your addition is lacking AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #36

You don't even know what homeopathy is do you? etherealtruth Aug 2015 #88

Not only, as etherealtruth pointed out, do you not seem to understand what homeopathy is... Silent3 Aug 2015 #91

It is quackery. Period. Archae Aug 2015 #3

Agreed 100%! tammywammy Aug 2015 #4

Are you an expert on homeopathy. What are your credentials? AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #20

Basic laws of physics. backscatter712 Aug 2015 #27

If you understood quantum physics, you could better understand why homeopathy works. AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #39

Ooh, the British Royals use it! backscatter712 Aug 2015 #41

Wow. You piss on the Royals and a Nobel Laureate. God knows who else you piss on, but I'll bet AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #63

Yes, the 'Royals' (mainly Prince Charles) are ignorant fuckers muriel_volestrangler Aug 2015 #72

You piss on the Royals and a Nobel Laureate. AlbertCat Aug 2015 #135

Woo woo credo #10 SidDithers Aug 2015 #67

I understand QM reasonably well. Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #70

quantum physics and medicine huh? Krytan11c Aug 2015 #121

Well do keep up with what you know. Don't want to scare you. AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #133

Thanks for your concern, but... Krytan11c Aug 2015 #139

Albert Einstein said, ""All matter is made up of energy in the form of electromagnetic frequencies." AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #55

You've convinced me. Orrex Aug 2015 #56

Hundreds of FDA approved drugs have been taken off the market. AND, Europe disallows AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #58

And never once has homeopathy been shown to work as described. Orrex Aug 2015 #60

Prove to me that homeopathy "never once has been shown to work as described" AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #64

Sory, but that's not how it works Orrex Aug 2015 #78

You have documented none of your empty remarks AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #113

Homeopathy is absolute bullshit from start to finish. Orrex Aug 2015 #117

$8 bucks?! Krytan11c Aug 2015 #125

Yep. Too funny. Only $3.69 for a 24-pack of Asprin at CVS. NYC Liberal Aug 2015 #191

You should be relieved to hear Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #151

There are also hundreds of drugs that are available in other countries, and banned in the US. SeattleVet Aug 2015 #209

Woo woo credo #36... SidDithers Aug 2015 #68

people couldn't see radio waves AlbertCat Aug 2015 #137

They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright brothers... NYC Liberal Aug 2015 #188

Well, it took you two seconds to write that. Nothing but AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #61

Complete and utter quackery sub.theory Aug 2015 #276

Wooo pipoman Aug 2015 #5

Homeopathy: shit and sugar. backscatter712 Aug 2015 #6

Water does retain a memory of every type of energy on the planet AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #22

Got proof? n/t backscatter712 Aug 2015 #28

Can you prove that water doesn't have a memory? UNESCO covened an international AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #66

Rule one of arguments Krytan11c Aug 2015 #127

The crickets are very loud. GoneOffShore Aug 2015 #274

Define energy in this context. longship Aug 2015 #46

"every type of energy on the planet" Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #73

Homeo is da bomb UnderDome Aug 2015 #94

welcome to DU Kali Aug 2015 #162

That and there's also homeopathic beer. backscatter712 Aug 2015 #194

Is this the kind of 'water' which is used in homeopathy? xocet Aug 2015 #87

There is a local alt med practitioner who gets patients AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #123

Nope not energy medicine Krytan11c Aug 2015 #128

from doctors who respect his ability to heal people that the docs can't help. AlbertCat Aug 2015 #144

Like in the video....? n/t xocet Aug 2015 #201

Did you watch the video? xocet Aug 2015 #263

Heheh... SidDithers Aug 2015 #269

Thanks for the link. I had not seen that. I spend too much time on DU relative to ScienceBlogs... xocet Aug 2015 #272

Keep it up and this thread is going to surpass MoonBombing Major Nikon Aug 2015 #101

That's gonna be tough. zappaman Aug 2015 #124

I think the poster that was called "Lil Missy" tkmorris Aug 2015 #210

Yep. I'm sure if he just keeps posting his frantic arguments over and over, he'll change minds... backscatter712 Aug 2015 #199

Even shit. AlbertCat Aug 2015 #141

Did you know water sleeps? You can get better memory retention when letting water sleep snooper2 Aug 2015 #231

You Forgot About The Soothing Music ProfessorGAC Aug 2015 #255

Have you tried playing Beethoven to your jar of water? bhikkhu Aug 2015 #264

Oh FFS, really? Nt Logical Aug 2015 #244

Sure doesn't. NuclearDem Aug 2015 #7

Next you'll say phrenology has no place in psychology. Binkie The Clown Aug 2015 #8

I prefer trepanation SwankyXomb Aug 2015 #239

Sorry, people. I disagree. I once had a very sore throat. I had a Homeopath-e-ist make me some.. BlueJazz Aug 2015 #9

Thank your immune system. Deadshot Aug 2015 #11

Well, you convinced me! zappaman Aug 2015 #93

Thank You, zappaman. I didn't have the courage to tell the poster before you I was kidding. BlueJazz Aug 2015 #95

It got a strong foothold here in the 19th century, because so many remedies back then eridani Aug 2015 #10

I agree. Deadshot Aug 2015 #12

That Mitchell and Webb Look: Homeopathic A&E FrodosPet Aug 2015 #14

Should be laws against this sort of grifting. nilesobek Aug 2015 #15

I was surprised how popular it was in Austria Recursion Aug 2015 #16

It's not just in Austria that homeopathy is used widely AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #24

It's still bullshit, no matter who buys into it. Orrex Aug 2015 #33

Buying into it is a safe thing to do. It costs very little and it works. But you do need AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #79

It doesn't work. HuckleB Aug 2015 #283

My God! Look at the comments following the article. COLGATE4 Aug 2015 #17

Homeopathy is complicated. My spouse has studied the Materia Medica for over twenty years AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #25

The placebo effect is a well-understood phenomenon COLGATE4 Aug 2015 #26

Colgate, I would love you as an ally. Would you please consider reading AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #76

There is no scientific case for homeopathy. The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2015 #29

Wrong. There is a scienfic case and I've made it. The author you cite is Edzard Ernst, who is AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #44

Explain how you get around Avogadro's number. The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2015 #45

Two or three Avogadro's will make terrific guacamole! Orrex Aug 2015 #51

The poster does not know what Avogaro's number is tkmorris Aug 2015 #213

So, so, so much horseshit disguised as word salad Godhumor Aug 2015 #48

Edzard Ernst is/was a homeopath. longship Aug 2015 #62

Homeopath supporters first have to explain how it works. longship Aug 2015 #30

"goes against everything we know" AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #65

Homeopathy has been around since 1796. longship Aug 2015 #81

Excellent post! GoneOffShore Aug 2015 #242

;-) nt longship Aug 2015 #243

From Paul Richter, cartoon caption: NCjack Aug 2015 #38

in today's world profit trumps truth olddots Aug 2015 #49

And homeopathy is bullshit in any world Orrex Aug 2015 #50

You hit the nail on the head. AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #110

On the old Fidonet... Archae Aug 2015 #59

DUers are notoriously ignorant of real science, but that doesn't stop many from AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #116

Lol! zappaman Aug 2015 #126

Of course. Archae Aug 2015 #136

I can't believe there are DUers arguing for homeopathy... SidDithers Aug 2015 #69

Huh? Are you doing a magic trick using a distraction technique Mr. Dithers? AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #105

Explain how an extreme dilution of any homeopathic solution... SidDithers Aug 2015 #118

Yeah, like NaturalNews Major Nikon Aug 2015 #157

Fifteen years ago, I might have argued that liberals accept science where conservatives do not. Act_of_Reparation Aug 2015 #224

I find it mostly depends on the science. alarimer Aug 2015 #238

The science is not really done by mega-corporations Major Nikon Aug 2015 #251

Ditto Johnny2X2X Aug 2015 #261

You've been here long enough to know SwankyXomb Aug 2015 #240

If homeopathy actually worked, even for some things sometimes, The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2015 #85

Big Pharma CANNOT make a profit from substances that it cannot patent. AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #99

Bullshit. Bayer makes billions on aspirin jberryhill Aug 2015 #134

Bayer makes billions on aspirin AlbertCat Aug 2015 #147

And then there's digitalis, which comes from the foxglove plant The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2015 #203

many drugs derived from plants have been synthesized by BigPharma, a/k/a AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #208

Except that there isn't any arsenicum in homeopathic remedies. The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2015 #212

And small amounts of arsenic can be good for the heart. AlbertCat Aug 2015 #235

+1 darkangel218 Aug 2015 #143

aw, it looks like there might be one person to defend and protect Kali Aug 2015 #168

"Their strategy is to spread medicine with Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #179

Oh look, the natural fallacy. X_Digger Aug 2015 #198

"What Big Pharma does is the OPPOSITE of homeopathy." - That's a good thing. Liberal Veteran Aug 2015 #237

Yes, it does mean you are wrong. Nt Logical Aug 2015 #247

Big pharma! zappaman Aug 2015 #253

It is heartening to see edhopper Aug 2015 #89

Well done! zappaman Aug 2015 #92

Ms. Zappaman, I'm sure "Natural News" is not all bad although it's only one source of information AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #103

I'm guessing you think it's funny/insulting to refer to people as female. zappaman Aug 2015 #122

I'm guessing you think it's funny/insulting to refer to people as female. AlbertCat Aug 2015 #150

I made no mention of the word "female" zappaman. NT AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #211

Oh, you dropped the Ms this time. zappaman Aug 2015 #221

and a genuine "medical professional" too! Kali Aug 2015 #145

Just like you, who didn't know what a "student nurse " was, and accused me of "making it up" darkangel218 Aug 2015 #146

gosh that makes so much sense! Kali Aug 2015 #155

You should Google student nurse. I know you have 0 medical training, that is why darkangel218 Aug 2015 #166

Did you know student nurses are not allowed in the spirit world? snooper2 Aug 2015 #232

Did you ever figure out that diet and acupuncture aren't homeopathic? tammywammy Aug 2015 #161

Oh yah. They are however, part of alternative medicine, which you still call quakery. darkangel218 Aug 2015 #167

Actually, you have no idea what I consider quackery. tammywammy Aug 2015 #171

I actually have a pretty good idea, from your previous posts. darkangel218 Aug 2015 #173

I'm sure she knows what a student nurse is tammywammy Aug 2015 #174

She didn't know what a student nurse was years ago. darkangel218 Aug 2015 #176

I could not care less about your squabble with Kali. tammywammy Aug 2015 #181

You could not care less? darkangel218 Aug 2015 #183

BTW, FYI, many hospitals here in FL, include alternative medicine in their plan of care. darkangel218 Aug 2015 #187

There are ALWAYS people willing to take your money tkmorris Aug 2015 #217

please won't you educate me about what a student nurse is? Kali Aug 2015 #196

You forget quickly what you post in the past , don't you?? darkangel218 Aug 2015 #223

well, when you link to it and we all see how you are totally off the wall wrong, Kali Aug 2015 #226

Blah blah blah lol! darkangel218 Aug 2015 #245

indeed - blah blah blah Kali Aug 2015 #265

It absolutely does work--and here's how!!!!!! MADem Aug 2015 #104

.... tammywammy Aug 2015 #106

There is also solid evidence that the "Placebo Effect" is evident AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #107

The point is, though, I could give you sterilized dog poop and TELL you it was homeopathic, MADem Aug 2015 #109

Homeopathic dog poop is available, btw... SidDithers Aug 2015 #114

Seriously? That's a thing? tkmorris Aug 2015 #218

It's a little difficult to stop anaphlactic shock with the "placebo effect" as it is a serious, life AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #170

My allergy dr uses homeopathy womanofthehills Aug 2015 #195

So glad to hear that you're doing well. Both MCS and its close cousin Toxic Encephalopathy are AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #215

Yes. darkangel218 Aug 2015 #169

That's why such drugs must demonstrate repeatable efficacy Major Nikon Aug 2015 #172

Yes, a lot of value in "cures" relying on ignorance... Thor_MN Aug 2015 #192

Don't waste your time with them . darkangel218 Aug 2015 #193

Thank you for your sweet comment. I've been beat up a lot here tonight. AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #216

Enjoy the embrace of the woo. GoneOffShore Aug 2015 #273

I'm a friend. 840high Aug 2015 #279

Duh. That does not justify promoting quackery. HuckleB Aug 2015 #284

+100 nt LostOne4Ever Aug 2015 #119

Homeopathy is pseudoscience. nt LostOne4Ever Aug 2015 #120

With a large helping of horseshit. GoneOffShore Aug 2015 #275

Hokey religions and ancient superstition are no match for real medicine. Agnosticsherbet Aug 2015 #160

People who believe in homeopathy are suffering from chakra misalignment. Liberal Veteran Aug 2015 #197

I know very little about homopathy davidpdx Aug 2015 #207

Long story short: it's moronic quackery. Arugula Latte Aug 2015 #214

Gotta explain it in a little more detail... backscatter712 Aug 2015 #219

Yeah, the chemistry and physics parts are not something I understand at all davidpdx Aug 2015 #220

I'll give you some relevant bits. backscatter712 Aug 2015 #250

I was an art major in college PasadenaTrudy Aug 2015 #256

Spot on Johnny2X2X Aug 2015 #260

Thanks davidpdx Aug 2015 #280

Not really. backscatter712 Aug 2015 #285

Thanks davidpdx Aug 2015 #289

I did not know they are allowed to sell homeopathic remedies at pharmacies. Rex Aug 2015 #258

They sell homeopathic asthma inhalers. LeftyMom Aug 2015 #278

That's disturbing. People die of asthma. backscatter712 Aug 2015 #286

Absolutely. LeftyMom Aug 2015 #287