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In reply to the discussion: ACLU: The Government Is Watching #BlackLivesMatter, And It’s Not Okay [View all]Zorra
(27,670 posts)31. Hillary Clinton Sides with NSA over Snowden Disclosures
Likely 2016 presidential candidate Hillary Clinton has taken a firm stance against the actions of NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden, denying his revelations have brought any positive impacts and slamming him for accepting asylum in Russia.
Speaking with NPR's Terry Gross on Thursday, Clinton claimed Snowden could have "expressed his concerns" in other ways "by reaching out to some of the senators or other members of Congress or journalists in order to convey his questions about the implementation of the laws surrounding the collection of information concerning Americans' calls and emails."
Her comments sparked criticism from progressives, journalists and civil liberties advocates.
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The former U.S. Secretary of State defended U.S. mass surveillance, stating, "collecting information about whats going around the world is essential to our security." She added, "The pieces about the metadata collection, the other impacts on Americans, is a small sliver of what was stolen. Most of what was stolen concerned the surveillance that the United States undertakes, totally legally, against other nations."
http://www.commondreams.org/news/2014/06/13/hillary-clinton-sides-nsa-over-snowden-disclosures
Speaking with NPR's Terry Gross on Thursday, Clinton claimed Snowden could have "expressed his concerns" in other ways "by reaching out to some of the senators or other members of Congress or journalists in order to convey his questions about the implementation of the laws surrounding the collection of information concerning Americans' calls and emails."
Her comments sparked criticism from progressives, journalists and civil liberties advocates.
snip----
The former U.S. Secretary of State defended U.S. mass surveillance, stating, "collecting information about whats going around the world is essential to our security." She added, "The pieces about the metadata collection, the other impacts on Americans, is a small sliver of what was stolen. Most of what was stolen concerned the surveillance that the United States undertakes, totally legally, against other nations."
http://www.commondreams.org/news/2014/06/13/hillary-clinton-sides-nsa-over-snowden-disclosures
On the NSA, Hillary Clinton Is Either a Fool or a Liar
Who is the true patriot, Hillary Clinton or Edward Snowden? The question comes up because Clinton has gone all out in attacking Snowden as a means of burnishing her hawkish credentials, eliciting Glenn Greenwalds comment that she is like a neocon, practically.
On Friday in England, Clinton boasted that two years ago she had favored a proposal by a top British General to train 100,000 moderate rebels to overthrow the Assad regime in Syria, but Obama had turned her down. The American Thatcher? In that same interview with the Guardian she also managed to get in yet another shot against Snowden for taking refuge in Russia apparently under Putins protection, unless, she taunted, he wishes to return knowing he would be held accountable.
Accountable for telling the truth that Clinton concealed during her tenure as secretary of state in the Obama administration? Did she approve of the systematic spying on the American people as well as of others around the world, including the leaders of Germany and Brazil, or did she first learn of all this from the Snowden revelations?
On Saturday, a carefully vetted four-month investigation by The Washington Post based on material made available by Snowden revealed that while Clinton was in the government, the NSA had collected a vast trove of often intimate Internet correspondence and photos of innocent Americans, including many users of Facebook, Google, Yahoo, Microsoft and other leading Internet companies. The Post reported many files described as useless by the [NSA] analysts but nonetheless retained have a voyeuristic quality. They tell stories of love and heartbreak, illicit sexual liaisons, mental-health crises, political and religious conversions, financial anxieties and disappointed hopes.
http://www.thenation.com/article/nsa-hillary-clinton-either-fool-or-liar/
Who is the true patriot, Hillary Clinton or Edward Snowden? The question comes up because Clinton has gone all out in attacking Snowden as a means of burnishing her hawkish credentials, eliciting Glenn Greenwalds comment that she is like a neocon, practically.
On Friday in England, Clinton boasted that two years ago she had favored a proposal by a top British General to train 100,000 moderate rebels to overthrow the Assad regime in Syria, but Obama had turned her down. The American Thatcher? In that same interview with the Guardian she also managed to get in yet another shot against Snowden for taking refuge in Russia apparently under Putins protection, unless, she taunted, he wishes to return knowing he would be held accountable.
Accountable for telling the truth that Clinton concealed during her tenure as secretary of state in the Obama administration? Did she approve of the systematic spying on the American people as well as of others around the world, including the leaders of Germany and Brazil, or did she first learn of all this from the Snowden revelations?
On Saturday, a carefully vetted four-month investigation by The Washington Post based on material made available by Snowden revealed that while Clinton was in the government, the NSA had collected a vast trove of often intimate Internet correspondence and photos of innocent Americans, including many users of Facebook, Google, Yahoo, Microsoft and other leading Internet companies. The Post reported many files described as useless by the [NSA] analysts but nonetheless retained have a voyeuristic quality. They tell stories of love and heartbreak, illicit sexual liaisons, mental-health crises, political and religious conversions, financial anxieties and disappointed hopes.
http://www.thenation.com/article/nsa-hillary-clinton-either-fool-or-liar/
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Obama does not know all and control all. I realize certain folks believe all black men are super human, but still.
Fred Sanders
Aug 2015
#7
Folks in the GOP pretending Obama is not beloved by black folk in America are funny are they not?
Fred Sanders
Aug 2015
#9
Oh-sorry, I thought you were referring to the article. I've always been a fan of the ACLU myself.
jalan48
Aug 2015
#13
Yes. Some folks know who really watches the black folks carefully, and with fear, and it is not Obama.
Fred Sanders
Aug 2015
#16
True, but now that Obama (or at least his people) are aware of it, this will surely stop
hughee99
Aug 2015
#19
Because Obama controls all of the judicial, security and surveillance system from his WH Black Magic room?
Fred Sanders
Aug 2015
#20
Are these the same alledged guys who spied on Germany and Brazil? Where was Obama on that also, one might also ask - using
Fred Sanders
Aug 2015
#50
Well, those were probably NSA guys, while these are probably Homeland Security guys.
Comrade Grumpy
Aug 2015
#52
I am bored of the folks believing in nothing more than generalities and slaps to the intellect, is all.
Fred Sanders
Aug 2015
#29
A chance to slam Obama because....reasons!....but rather incompetently played out, so it is all good.
Fred Sanders
Aug 2015
#24
If you're looking for imcompetence, take a look at the "Obama has no control over his own agencies"
hughee99
Aug 2015
#33
The think some folks have been playing too long in open fields of strawmen.
Fred Sanders
Aug 2015
#46
I think it's called the inability to think critically. Not sure it can be fixed quickly.
jalan48
Aug 2015
#34