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lostnfound

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Thu Aug 6, 2015, 11:07 AM Aug 2015

Shot and killed by young minors - who is the criminal? [View all]

The 11 year old who shot and killed the 3 year old in Detoit (reported here earlier) is being charged with manslaughter.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/05/us/detroit-shooting-death-children/index.html

Eleven year olds live in a fantasy world. Even at 12 or so, I know a young boy who imagined we should have a lever to move the earth away from the sun, so it doesn't get so hot in summertime. Eleven year olds have little impulse control, and they are at the mercy of the environment in which they have been raised. This kid went to his father's house, got a gun out of his father's closet, snuck away and got in a car with a three year old who died.

Some eleven year olds have been trained to be very responsible or obedient, but they are the exception today; and every kid is different.

I just searched for "11 year old charged with" and I was amazed at how many stories there are many stories of kids that age being charged with murder or manslaughter for this act. To me, the kid did a very wrong thing, but it is the adults in society who are supposed to stop this from happening.

Charge the dad who was careless with the gun. The kid needs counseling, probably for "anger management" but also psychological help.

Yes, an 11 year old may be a messed up monster or a vicious soul already, or may just be a stupid kid with no impulse control, but we can't count on the self-restraint of 11-year olds to prevent this tragedy from happening. So who is at fault?

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Well, if you charged every gun owner whose weapon ended up in the wrong hands and was used to Doctor_J Aug 2015 #1
Making it a crime to let your gun be accessible to an under-13 year old seems reasonable. lostnfound Aug 2015 #2
SO, putting a child's life at risk didn't make this guy responsible, but a new law would???? Doctor_J Aug 2015 #5
I don't understand your point. lostnfound Aug 2015 #6
Here in NC that is the law Lee-Lee Aug 2015 #12
I would love to see irresponsible gun owners jailed Orrex Aug 2015 #3
27 states have child access laws based on negligent storage; not Michigan where this happened lostnfound Aug 2015 #4
Standard prohibitionist outlook based on overturning a Constitutional Amendment. Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #8
This topic has been widely discussed in the two Gunz Groups. Why don't Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #7
Interesting that they report gun deaths among minors by leaving out the older teens most likely pnwmom Aug 2015 #9
I took my data from the Nat'l Safety Council, not a "leading gun control group." Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #10
Funny, I didn't see any link. And a minor is under 18. There isn't a "liberal" or "conservative" pnwmom Aug 2015 #11
Actually, that is your definition of minor... Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #13
No, under 18 is the LEGAL definition of minor. n/t pnwmom Aug 2015 #14
The data from various sources uses various ages. No law against that... Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #15
It's deceptive to say you are reporting the number of "minors" when you are really talking pnwmom Aug 2015 #16
Some use 12, some 14, some 15, some 18. "Better" numbers, higher you go. Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #18
Right. The higher you go, the more cases there would be. So by only reporting pnwmom Aug 2015 #21
The lower #s were used by known gun-control entities. Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #23
Seems most reasonable to divide statistics Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #19
Since the subject was ACCIDENTAL gun deaths I don't see why it makes sense pnwmom Aug 2015 #20
I missed that detail! Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #22
Easy answer, the parents madokie Aug 2015 #17
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