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sarisataka

(18,604 posts)
13. Anyone's guess but...
Thu Aug 6, 2015, 02:40 PM
Aug 2015

We would have ended the war as it stood, maybe demanding the return of some small occupied islands. Japan would readily agree as long as they could retain the majority of their Asian conquests. It would enable them to concentrate their remaining forces.

Britain and France would be upset at territories they would loose but without U.S. support and war exhaustion, they would acquiesce to whatever token reparations were offered.

As Japan would no longer be a strategic threat we would focus entirely on Europe. The Marshall Plan would be somewhat expanded and we would build a nuclear arsenal to stay ahead of the Soviets. We would not know the horrors of what happens if you actually use an atomic bomb.

Somewhere in the 50's we would court Japan as an ally against Communism, specifically the U.S.S.R. Bygones would be bygones and we would support their efforts to suppress uprisings in China and South East Asia. We would likely attempt to create SEATO including Japan and, in the ultimate irony, assist in rearming Japan with the weapons we fought against them.

Japan's defeat was inevitable after Germany fell. geek tragedy Aug 2015 #1
My thread is a "what if" they won Reter Aug 2015 #3
you'd have to invent a world that didn't exist. geek tragedy Aug 2015 #7
Vietnam could never win Reter Aug 2015 #11
Are we Vietnamese now? jberryhill Aug 2015 #26
big fan of alternative history, I'll give it a shot. a long shot. lol Javaman Aug 2015 #21
I've seen that exact scenario before geek tragedy Aug 2015 #23
LOL exactly. :) nt Javaman Aug 2015 #25
Screw everything... build up in Indochina jberryhill Aug 2015 #27
Wouldn't Japan have also.. Motown_Johnny Aug 2015 #30
Sounds good Buzz cook Aug 2015 #42
If the US didn't have "the bomb" it could have just continued the process of firebombing Japan into PoliticAverse Aug 2015 #2
But what if the US lost? Reter Aug 2015 #6
We'd have pixelated p0rn. n/t PoliticAverse Aug 2015 #8
Then we could all get a chance to try Green Tea KitKats now! Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2015 #4
+1 nt Javaman Aug 2015 #22
Green tea Kit Kats are pretty good Art_from_Ark Aug 2015 #43
I want some underwear davidpdx Aug 2015 #44
The only way to "lose" to Japan is to be invaded and conquered by them. arcane1 Aug 2015 #5
That's what I mean Reter Aug 2015 #9
I laid it out above, if they couldn't use a ground invasion, they'd literally starve Japan. geek tragedy Aug 2015 #14
No way we could have lost. MicaelS Aug 2015 #10
How exactly would we lose to Japan? I know this is all hypothetical, but where do we start? Rex Aug 2015 #12
I was not talking about them invading the US mainland Reter Aug 2015 #15
Oh okay gotcha that is easier to speculate imo. Rex Aug 2015 #16
If we retreated after 5 or 10 years, they would have had devastating losses Reter Aug 2015 #18
I think they would have been at war with the USSR and the US and in very bad shape. Rex Aug 2015 #20
Anyone's guess but... sarisataka Aug 2015 #13
If China had fallen before Pear Harbor Buzz cook Aug 2015 #17
check out my long shot alternative history at #21. nt Javaman Aug 2015 #24
On August 9, 1945, the Red Army invaded the Japanese-held Manchuria . . . Journeyman Aug 2015 #19
Eventually, we would have given up interests in the Pacific Motown_Johnny Aug 2015 #28
Who's "we"? Spider Jerusalem Aug 2015 #29
That movie, Fatherland, was based on a book. Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2015 #31
Japan had lost in fall of '44. HooptieWagon Aug 2015 #32
Japan lost at Pearl Harbor. oneshooter Aug 2015 #33
The U.S. was on the defensive for about a year. HooptieWagon Aug 2015 #34
I wouldn't say we had inferior planes, we just had different goals with our planes. NutmegYankee Aug 2015 #35
The P-40 was inferior, but they developed effective tactics against the Zeros. HooptieWagon Aug 2015 #36
Thew wildcat was outperformed, but that ruggedness served it well. NutmegYankee Aug 2015 #37
The big advantage it had... HooptieWagon Aug 2015 #38
Agree. nt NutmegYankee Aug 2015 #39
We would burn their cities and mine their harbors. AngryAmish Aug 2015 #40
If Japan had not lost RobertEarl Aug 2015 #41
I'm not a fan of alternative history davidpdx Aug 2015 #45
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