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In reply to the discussion: What if we beat the rest of the Axis powers like we did, but lost to Japan? [View all]Javaman
(62,517 posts)Germany doesn't invade Russia. Keeps Russia as an Ally.
First invasion by U.S. and British forces of Europe fails and we retreat to try another invasion from southern France 3 years later.
In the mean time, Russia runs roughshod over India and pushes into Africa.
Germany doesn't care for Russia's land grab and denounces von Ribbentrop pack. they go to war.
As a result. Japan, who was once also Russia's ally, and still an ally of Germany, chooses instead to observe a cease fire against. Pissing off Germany, thus breaking their alliance.
Russia invades the middle east attacking German forces. And pushes back, simultaneously against Germany's Eastern front.
The US invades Europe again and finally gains a foot hold and pushes on Germany's Western front.
In the mean time, in Northern Africa, the battles between U.S./British forces against the German/Russian forces that were in a stalemate with the U.S./British forces losing ground, suddenly break open. Germany without Russian assistance begins a bloody and costly retreat for both sides.
In the mean time, due to the failure of the first invasion of Europe, the U.S. is short on man power as well as the Brits and Australians (now having to commit must needed pacific troops to Europe) struggle on the ground and in the air in the Pacific theater. However, the allied navel war does well, in preventing further Japanese gains on the islands, but helps little against the land war in Asia.
In the mean time, Japan's land war gains more ground and resources.
By the time Germany falls, so much in the way of man power and resources have been expended in the European theater, that when the focus of the war switches in earnest back to Asia, the American will to fight is draining.
However, lacking an atomic bomb, the allies switch to day and night sorties to cripple Japanese industry. But due to Japan being now virtually unopposed on land in Asia, they are able to resupply and retool quickly.
And because of the cease fire agreement between Japan and Russia, we can expect no help from the Russians.
In fact, seeing the US now having a formal presents in Europe, Russia takes a step back and unknown to the allies, begins supplying Japan with weapons, training and supplies. The last thing the Russians want is to have a U.S./European powers on both their opposing borders.
Now faced with this new obstacle (Russia helping Japan), discovered via cracking the Japanese secret code, the U.S. mulls the idea of a type of Peace.
How was that? Massive leaps of faith!! LOL