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Buzz cook

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42. Sounds good
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 12:30 AM
Aug 2015

We need some big changes to have the Soviets stay on the German side.
Leaving the US war weary is a great move. If we want to add some intrigue we could have the Nazis playing up to die hard confederates.

Pacifying East Asia and bringing them into the empire requires a big leap to. The way the Japanese dealt with the subjugated peoples would have to change dramatically. It wouldn't be hard to treat the Chinese people better than Chang. Loyalty often follows a full belly and tens of thousands died because Chang's rule was so corrupt they couldn't move food from places with abundance to places with famine. Mao would be a harder nut to crack.

Having an infrastructure that could process and transport material around the empire would also be a daunting task. Our Japanese would have to start planning in the teens or twenties. Prefab factories that could be placed on a transport ship and assembled where the resources were.

Man Power, our Japanese need to get conscripts and semi-skilled labor that will serve the empire with good will. Slave labor would not be enough.

Better equipment, The Zero was a great plane but... Almost all of the Japanese war making machines were inadequate for fighting the allies.

Time: Smoot Haley was passed in 1930, I think that has to be when we start the clock on our alternate history. Before then there was enough of a non-military group in Japan to keep our plans from being implemented. After Smoot the militarists took over.
At best we have a small group of men that did all the paper prep, but building our mobile factories can't start earlier.

Japan invaded Korea in 1910, so there is some wiggle room there. They invade China in 1931, not much to work with there.

Japan's defeat was inevitable after Germany fell. geek tragedy Aug 2015 #1
My thread is a "what if" they won Reter Aug 2015 #3
you'd have to invent a world that didn't exist. geek tragedy Aug 2015 #7
Vietnam could never win Reter Aug 2015 #11
Are we Vietnamese now? jberryhill Aug 2015 #26
big fan of alternative history, I'll give it a shot. a long shot. lol Javaman Aug 2015 #21
I've seen that exact scenario before geek tragedy Aug 2015 #23
LOL exactly. :) nt Javaman Aug 2015 #25
Screw everything... build up in Indochina jberryhill Aug 2015 #27
Wouldn't Japan have also.. Motown_Johnny Aug 2015 #30
Sounds good Buzz cook Aug 2015 #42
If the US didn't have "the bomb" it could have just continued the process of firebombing Japan into PoliticAverse Aug 2015 #2
But what if the US lost? Reter Aug 2015 #6
We'd have pixelated p0rn. n/t PoliticAverse Aug 2015 #8
Then we could all get a chance to try Green Tea KitKats now! Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2015 #4
+1 nt Javaman Aug 2015 #22
Green tea Kit Kats are pretty good Art_from_Ark Aug 2015 #43
I want some underwear davidpdx Aug 2015 #44
The only way to "lose" to Japan is to be invaded and conquered by them. arcane1 Aug 2015 #5
That's what I mean Reter Aug 2015 #9
I laid it out above, if they couldn't use a ground invasion, they'd literally starve Japan. geek tragedy Aug 2015 #14
No way we could have lost. MicaelS Aug 2015 #10
How exactly would we lose to Japan? I know this is all hypothetical, but where do we start? Rex Aug 2015 #12
I was not talking about them invading the US mainland Reter Aug 2015 #15
Oh okay gotcha that is easier to speculate imo. Rex Aug 2015 #16
If we retreated after 5 or 10 years, they would have had devastating losses Reter Aug 2015 #18
I think they would have been at war with the USSR and the US and in very bad shape. Rex Aug 2015 #20
Anyone's guess but... sarisataka Aug 2015 #13
If China had fallen before Pear Harbor Buzz cook Aug 2015 #17
check out my long shot alternative history at #21. nt Javaman Aug 2015 #24
On August 9, 1945, the Red Army invaded the Japanese-held Manchuria . . . Journeyman Aug 2015 #19
Eventually, we would have given up interests in the Pacific Motown_Johnny Aug 2015 #28
Who's "we"? Spider Jerusalem Aug 2015 #29
That movie, Fatherland, was based on a book. Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2015 #31
Japan had lost in fall of '44. HooptieWagon Aug 2015 #32
Japan lost at Pearl Harbor. oneshooter Aug 2015 #33
The U.S. was on the defensive for about a year. HooptieWagon Aug 2015 #34
I wouldn't say we had inferior planes, we just had different goals with our planes. NutmegYankee Aug 2015 #35
The P-40 was inferior, but they developed effective tactics against the Zeros. HooptieWagon Aug 2015 #36
Thew wildcat was outperformed, but that ruggedness served it well. NutmegYankee Aug 2015 #37
The big advantage it had... HooptieWagon Aug 2015 #38
Agree. nt NutmegYankee Aug 2015 #39
We would burn their cities and mine their harbors. AngryAmish Aug 2015 #40
If Japan had not lost RobertEarl Aug 2015 #41
I'm not a fan of alternative history davidpdx Aug 2015 #45
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