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ericson00

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10. while I don't mean to attack you because of the myth's seeming ubiquity,
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 07:06 AM
Aug 2015

how the hell is the Ross Perot myth still on Democratic leaning websites? If I went on a Republican site, Redstate or FreeRepublican, and debunked the "effect" of Ross Perot, a pro-choice pro-gun-control anti-NAFTA non-conservative, I would get banned.

While I'm not trying to hijack this thread about Donald Trump, given how popular the Perot-spoiler myth is despite several recent debunkings by Maddow, Kornacki, Nate Silver, etc. (and even an increasing amount of Republicans amount of debunkings), the devil is in the data: all the data is linked to in a thread I wrote a bit ago. These kinds of myths damage presidencies: Clinton might have gotten a lot more done had he gotten 50% of the vote in his elections, even tho in both of them he would've still won in Perot's absence, per the actual data/numbers/stats that exist, rather than GOP wishful thinking. It also damages a party when the opponent's narratives take root, especially the non-true ones. The Perot-myth precedent and its uses inspired the "Obama's a Kenyan-born Muslim" in that it was meant to delegitimize. It was used in the same way.

There are two versions of the Perot myth: one is that he was a siphoner, which the numbers smash to pieces. Once that gets debunked, its proponents move to "oh he weakened Bush and created a bad atmosphere, and caused approval rating problems." That's actually a plaigiarism of what Jimmy Carter currently still believes and what some Democrats believed in the early '80s. Good thing our party wisened up tho. Makes sense: both Bush Sr. in 1992 and Carter in 1980 had cratered approvals and primary challenges too.

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I am semi convinced that if he sees he has not real chance at the nomination SheilaT Aug 2015 #1
Precisely. His ego is way too big to be deflated now. LAGC Aug 2015 #2
He's in it to stop the other clowns greymattermom Aug 2015 #3
That is what I think too except I don't think he even wants to be President. Live and Learn Aug 2015 #6
I'm going to politely disagree. SheilaT Aug 2015 #26
But how many voters will play his game? davidn3600 Aug 2015 #4
If you are interested in more info on the 1992 election, BlueMTexpat Aug 2015 #9
while I don't mean to attack you because of the myth's seeming ubiquity, ericson00 Aug 2015 #10
I bet he pulls at LEAST 10%, almost all from the GOP nominee. Adrahil Aug 2015 #22
Trump never let's *any* slight go unanswered and, if he can manage it, unpunished. nt tblue37 Aug 2015 #5
He cetainly won't leave 30% hanging on the vine... Historic NY Aug 2015 #14
how could the establishment stop him if he has 30%? Laura PourMeADrink Aug 2015 #23
Go to THE REAL WORLD Dictionary... look up Media Whore. Raster Aug 2015 #7
Since the Big Dog is reported to have talked to Trump... mariawr Aug 2015 #8
as much as the idea smells of media rumour ericson00 Aug 2015 #12
Why would the Donald SheilaT Aug 2015 #27
I think its to scare the party and Fox into letting him even debate ericson00 Aug 2015 #11
Nader was not a spoiler RoccoR5955 Aug 2015 #17
Depends on how he is treated by the GOP..if he feels a fair shot...no problem dembotoz Aug 2015 #13
Well...here it seems people are assuming he maintains his current big lead and then gets screwed. Laura PourMeADrink Aug 2015 #20
Nope Cosmocat Aug 2015 #15
I hope he runs RoccoR5955 Aug 2015 #16
He might run third party if he sees some advantage to his ego. DCBob Aug 2015 #18
Well, he didn't pursue it last time he was high and then took a dive. Laura PourMeADrink Aug 2015 #21
This feels different this time. DCBob Aug 2015 #24
Yes, different in that it has sustained longer than last time. But, I don't see Laura PourMeADrink Aug 2015 #25
A possible third party run was the best news to come out of the debate. Vinca Aug 2015 #19
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