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MineralMan

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26. Whether we like the secrecy or not is irrelevant.

Reply to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #19)

Fri Aug 7, 2015, 11:13 AM

Aug 2015

All such agreements are negotiated in secret. The US just one party in it. International agreements of all kinds tend to be negotiated in secret, by necessity. They're one of those things where individual citizens have no role at all. I don't see that changing, so I interest myself in other things, where we do have a role.

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I can't, because, like everyone else, I haven't seen it yet. MineralMan Aug 2015 #53

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I've only seen some leaked very partial drafts, and not up-to-date. MineralMan Aug 2015 #56

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So, we should all shut up and not try to influence the deal. jeff47 Aug 2015 #64

You can do whatever you think best. MineralMan Aug 2015 #65

That would be a logical post if your OP was not telling us to shut up. (nt) jeff47 Aug 2015 #66

It's not telling you that at all. That's what you MineralMan Aug 2015 #67

Really? jeff47 Aug 2015 #69

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