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Aug 2015

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What most people don't understand about the TPP. [View all] MineralMan Aug 2015 OP

Just one question: Of those 12 nations are they all equal in being able to protect themselves from jwirr Aug 2015 #1

Pretty much. But they're more equal in not being able to do that. MineralMan Aug 2015 #7

Many of us are voting this year to protect ourselves from further corporate power. I for one q jwirr Aug 2015 #10

No attack here. Thanks for the info! nt jonno99 Aug 2015 #2

It bothers me that its contents have been largely kept secret. The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2015 #3

Until a final version has been negotiated and agreed to by MineralMan Aug 2015 #13

But by the time it's not secret any more there will be no opportunity The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2015 #19

Whether we like the secrecy or not is irrelevant. MineralMan Aug 2015 #26

So we should just shrug, and grin and bear it, if drugs go sky high for everyone, djean111 Aug 2015 #4

Oh, many will dispute and argue about parts of it. MineralMan Aug 2015 #15

Oh, I know! But, I am going to adopt Hillary's term for it - "The Gold Standard" and use the TPP as djean111 Aug 2015 #22

just because something is "inevitable" does not mean we have to accept it without a peep hollysmom Aug 2015 #37

No attacks from here, we just disagree.... daleanime Aug 2015 #5

It is a business agreement. You're right, its not intended to benefit the "people." MineralMan Aug 2015 #18

It is a trade agreement between nations. kenfrequed Aug 2015 #33

Ah, but that's the thing for me.... daleanime Aug 2015 #45

I think everything should be for the benefit of the people. MineralMan Aug 2015 #46

True that, too many insist on a larger slice of the pie for themselves.... daleanime Aug 2015 #49

No doubt you're right. MineralMan Aug 2015 #50

Yes, it is a business agreement: truebluegreen Aug 2015 #51

Your "preferred candidate" strongly disagrees whatchamacallit Aug 2015 #6

Yes, I know that. MineralMan Aug 2015 #25

I look forward to the next installment of whatchamacallit Aug 2015 #27

I'm glad to hear it. MineralMan Aug 2015 #28

Oh joy whatchamacallit Aug 2015 #31

Indeed! MineralMan Aug 2015 #34

so phony! nt Romulox Aug 2015 #44

I am a Minnesotan Sanders supporter kenfrequed Nov 2015 #86

As does Trump. The difference is that Bernie has endorsed pro-labor trade agreements while pampango Aug 2015 #83

It's a real dilemma for the GOP base...that's why they don't talk about it much except to say it's kelliekat44 Aug 2015 #8

I have wondered if many of the leaks have been used gain leeverage Agnosticsherbet Aug 2015 #9

Leaks are often engineered to guage... TreasonousBastard Aug 2015 #14

Probably. Negotiations are ongoing still. MineralMan Aug 2015 #20

So the corporatist powers do some horse trading, and we're supposed to think that's fair? appal_jack Aug 2015 #11

I'm not defending anything. I'm describing a process. MineralMan Aug 2015 #21

TPP is the "Pacific Oligarch Club" Cosmic Kitten Aug 2015 #12

You're absolutely correct. MineralMan Aug 2015 #23

Was it time for you to make a pro-corporate sales pitch? Check. Rex Aug 2015 #16

No, it's not DOA at all. MineralMan Aug 2015 #24

Well the news cycles say it is DOA, so you have to take it up with them. Rex Aug 2015 #32

He almost never backs his 'talks' to us with facts or links but Ichingcarpenter Aug 2015 #36

LOL! Rex Aug 2015 #41

The tone is "avuncular"... ljm2002 Aug 2015 #60

. Guy Whitey Corngood Aug 2015 #68

The greatest nailing in the history of nailage! whatchamacallit Aug 2015 #71

For some reason, I thought of this guy from the movie Outlaw Josey Wales neverforget Aug 2015 #82

The TPP won't be an issue next year partly because most... TreasonousBastard Aug 2015 #17

You could well be right. MineralMan Aug 2015 #29

I'd say they'll go for it. Trade deals... TreasonousBastard Aug 2015 #35

nobody's obligated to sign it, either HFRN Aug 2015 #30

The paragraph that should bother you zipplewrath Aug 2015 #38

You're right on all counts. I don't disagree. MineralMan Aug 2015 #39

If we can't affect the outcome, then your OP is pointless. Romulox Aug 2015 #40

No. You misunderstand what I want. MineralMan Aug 2015 #42

That's a distinction without a difference. You want to excuse corporate trade deals, and limit Romulox Aug 2015 #43

Well I'm so glad you're happy zipplewrath Aug 2015 #54

47 replies and I'm giving you the 5th Rec. smh Hekate Aug 2015 #47

Thanks! I'm surprised it got up to 5. MineralMan Aug 2015 #48

Could you point out the parts of TPP that are actually good for the US? jeff47 Aug 2015 #52

I can't, because, like everyone else, I haven't seen it yet. MineralMan Aug 2015 #53

You've seen some zipplewrath Aug 2015 #55

I've only seen some leaked very partial drafts, and not up-to-date. MineralMan Aug 2015 #56

And you haven't seen anything in those you do or don't like? zipplewrath Aug 2015 #57

What part of "I will not comment on partial drafts" MineralMan Aug 2015 #58

So le me ge this straight zipplewrath Aug 2015 #59

Did I say that? No, I did not. MineralMan Aug 2015 #63

Well.... zipplewrath Aug 2015 #78

LOL whathehell Aug 2015 #81

So, we should all shut up and not try to influence the deal. jeff47 Aug 2015 #64

You can do whatever you think best. MineralMan Aug 2015 #65

That would be a logical post if your OP was not telling us to shut up. (nt) jeff47 Aug 2015 #66

It's not telling you that at all. That's what you MineralMan Aug 2015 #67

Really? jeff47 Aug 2015 #69

Again, that's what you read into it. MineralMan Aug 2015 #72

So could you point out the parts that contradict these? jeff47 Aug 2015 #73

+1, pretty much sums it up. Marr Aug 2015 #77

And there is some mighty LWolf Aug 2015 #61

There are many with enormous economic clout doing just that. They MineralMan Aug 2015 #62

Your very first sentence explains the problem with it, Motown_Johnny Aug 2015 #70

It's another deal of, by and for.. sendero Aug 2015 #74

Thanks for the OP, Mineral Man fadedrose Aug 2015 #75

MineralMansplaining. /nt Marr Aug 2015 #76

I was about to type ... "Duck and Cover your head and precious parts because ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #79

I pretty much agree, although I'm not positive it will pass. Good luck Hoyt Aug 2015 #80

Probably correct, but I will reframe JEB Aug 2015 #84

I hope you don’t consider every disagreement an “attack” Jim Lane Aug 2015 #85