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In reply to the discussion: What most people don't understand about the TPP. [View all]zipplewrath
(16,698 posts)38. The paragraph that should bother you
The TPP will be approved by Congress. It will go into effect. Everyone should know that. It will be followed to some degree, and ignored to some larger degree. If the overall effect is positive, it will do some good. But it will be approved, because such agreements are essential to have some sort of regulation for international trade.
If you think about this, in the context of a representative democracy, this should be really frightening to you. It's what leads to pitch forks. Especially when you realize who's been "in" on the negotiations, and who has been excluded lately. And this is especially true when combined with this.
That's why the TPP isn't going to really be an issue in the 2016 elections. It will be approved and go into force, regardless of the outcome of the elections in the United States. It's a way bigger thing than one nation can dictate. It goes beyond the politics of any single nation.
What you're saying is that our trade policy is outside of the democratic process, and being conducted by a tiny fraction of the worlds population. Furthermore we intentionally exclude the peoples representative as indicated by this paragraph.
That is why TPA or the fast track authority is necessary. Without it, legislative bodies will attempt to add and subtract portions of the agreement. Congress, for example, which is controlled by Republicans, would inject countless amendments to an agreement, mostly to brag about to individual member's supporters. Each of those would have to be accepted by the other participating nations. That is an impossibility, since Congress is a collective idiot, and will attempt to force irrelevant issues into the agreement.
What you are describing is at BEST an oligarchy, and at worse a benign dictatorship.
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Just one question: Of those 12 nations are they all equal in being able to protect themselves from
jwirr
Aug 2015
#1
Many of us are voting this year to protect ourselves from further corporate power. I for one q
jwirr
Aug 2015
#10
But by the time it's not secret any more there will be no opportunity
The Velveteen Ocelot
Aug 2015
#19
So we should just shrug, and grin and bear it, if drugs go sky high for everyone,
djean111
Aug 2015
#4
Oh, I know! But, I am going to adopt Hillary's term for it - "The Gold Standard" and use the TPP as
djean111
Aug 2015
#22
just because something is "inevitable" does not mean we have to accept it without a peep
hollysmom
Aug 2015
#37
It is a business agreement. You're right, its not intended to benefit the "people."
MineralMan
Aug 2015
#18
As does Trump. The difference is that Bernie has endorsed pro-labor trade agreements while
pampango
Aug 2015
#83
It's a real dilemma for the GOP base...that's why they don't talk about it much except to say it's
kelliekat44
Aug 2015
#8
So the corporatist powers do some horse trading, and we're supposed to think that's fair?
appal_jack
Aug 2015
#11
That's a distinction without a difference. You want to excuse corporate trade deals, and limit
Romulox
Aug 2015
#43
I was about to type ... "Duck and Cover your head and precious parts because ...
1StrongBlackMan
Aug 2015
#79