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In reply to the discussion: A $15 national minimum wage doesn't look economically sound to me [View all]stevenleser
(32,886 posts)34. Nope, gotta go with the Nobel laureate in economics on this one
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/03/02/opinion/paul-krugman-walmarts-visible-hand.html?referrer=
Some background: Conservatives with the backing, I have to admit, of many economists normally argue that the market for labor is like the market for anything else. The law of supply and demand, they say, determines the level of wages, and the invisible hand of the market will punish anyone who tries to defy this law.
Specifically, this view implies that any attempt to push up wages will either fail or have bad consequences. Setting a minimum wage, its claimed, will reduce employment and create a labor surplus, the same way attempts to put floors under the prices of agricultural commodities used to lead to butter mountains, wine lakes and so on. Pressuring employers to pay more, or encouraging workers to organize into unions, will have the same effect.
But labor economists have long questioned this view. Soylent Green I mean, the labor force is people. And because workers are people, wages are not, in fact, like the price of butter, and how much workers are paid depends as much on social forces and political power as it does on simple supply and demand.
Whats the evidence? First, there is what actually happens when minimum wages are increased. Many states set minimum wages above the federal level, and we can look at what happens when a state raises its minimum while neighboring states do not. Does the wage-hiking state lose a large number of jobs? No the overwhelming conclusion from studying these natural experiments is that moderate increases in the minimum wage have little or no negative effect on employment.
Some background: Conservatives with the backing, I have to admit, of many economists normally argue that the market for labor is like the market for anything else. The law of supply and demand, they say, determines the level of wages, and the invisible hand of the market will punish anyone who tries to defy this law.
Specifically, this view implies that any attempt to push up wages will either fail or have bad consequences. Setting a minimum wage, its claimed, will reduce employment and create a labor surplus, the same way attempts to put floors under the prices of agricultural commodities used to lead to butter mountains, wine lakes and so on. Pressuring employers to pay more, or encouraging workers to organize into unions, will have the same effect.
But labor economists have long questioned this view. Soylent Green I mean, the labor force is people. And because workers are people, wages are not, in fact, like the price of butter, and how much workers are paid depends as much on social forces and political power as it does on simple supply and demand.
Whats the evidence? First, there is what actually happens when minimum wages are increased. Many states set minimum wages above the federal level, and we can look at what happens when a state raises its minimum while neighboring states do not. Does the wage-hiking state lose a large number of jobs? No the overwhelming conclusion from studying these natural experiments is that moderate increases in the minimum wage have little or no negative effect on employment.
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well, yeah, but without broadcast rights there wouldn't be nearly as much income to go around
fishwax
Aug 2015
#71
I hardly think Puerto Ricos economic downturn can be blamed on their minimum wage.
Live and Learn
Aug 2015
#8
I agree with your premise that a "modest increase in the minimum wage" is the way to go.
Scuba
Aug 2015
#12
Are there companies that can only afford to exist at slave wages? Sure, but they should go out ...
Scuba
Aug 2015
#16
Relavent only if you think its OK for some workers to be paid less than a "living wage" despite ...
Scuba
Aug 2015
#32
We've seen the costs of living argument against national minimum wages many times before.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
Aug 2015
#17
Are you suggesting that wealthier - or poorer - people can't support positions outside their own?
Scuba
Aug 2015
#33
Except you've completely misunderstood the arguments placing an upper bound on the minimum wage.
Donald Ian Rankin
Aug 2015
#81
How exactly? If a billionaire invests via mutual funds, how do you cap the earnings?
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#74
Imo, all it will do is put many more people on the lowest rung of the income ladder.
PowerToThePeople
Aug 2015
#46
That's a very Republican idea, to leave people in poverty so the wealthy can do better.You make
jtuck004
Aug 2015
#57
Its called Federal Minimum Wage? States have to match it, except 2 or 3? states today do not
Sunlei
Aug 2015
#70
Well, in some places you need way more than $15 to afford an apartment.
Starry Messenger
Aug 2015
#75