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Octafish

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91. Warmongering Today
Sun Aug 9, 2015, 10:20 AM
Aug 2015

Wolfowitz's neocon acolytes in PNAC continue to course through the corridors of power. For instance, the group pushing for war in Ukraine and Russia, coincidentally I'm told, just happen to be interested in the resulting economic opportunities.



Neocons and Liberals Together, Again

The neoconservative Project for the New American Century (PNAC) has signaled its intention to continue shaping the government's national security...

Tom Barry, last updated: February 02, 2005

The neoconservative Project for the New American Century (PNAC) has signaled its intention to continue shaping the government's national security strategy with a new public letter stating that the "U.S. military is too small for the responsibilities we are asking it to assume." Rather than reining in the imperial scope of U.S. national security strategy as set forth by the first Bush administration, PNAC and the letter's signatories call for increasing the size of America's global fighting machine.

SNIP...

Liberal Hawks Fly with the Neocons

The recent PNAC letter to Congress was not the first time that PNAC or its associated front groups, such as the Coalition for the Liberation of Iraq, have included hawkish Democrats.

Two PNAC letters in March 2003 played to those Democrats who believed that the invasion was justified at least as much by humanitarian concerns as it was by the purported presence of weapons of mass destruction. PNAC and the neocon camp had managed to translate their military agenda of preemptive and preventive strikes into national security policy. With the invasion underway, they sought to preempt those hardliners and military officials who opted for a quick exit strategy in Iraq. In their March 19th letter, PNAC stated that Washington should plan to stay in Iraq for the long haul: "Everyone-those who have joined the coalition, those who have stood aside, those who opposed military action, and, most of all, the Iraqi people and their neighbors-must understand that we are committed to the rebuilding of Iraq and will provide the necessary resources and will remain for as long as it takes."

Along with such neocon stalwarts as Robert Kagan, Bruce Jackson, Joshua Muravchik, James Woolsey, and Eliot Cohen, a half-dozen Democrats were among the 23 individuals who signed PNAC's first letter on post-war Iraq. Among the Democrats were Ivo Daalder of the Brookings Institution and a member of Clinton's National Security Council staff; Martin Indyk, Clinton's ambassador to Israel; Will Marshall of the Progressive Policy Institute and Democratic Leadership Council; Dennis Ross, Clinton's top adviser on the Israel-Palestinian negotiations; and James Steinberg, Clinton's deputy national security adviser and head of foreign policy studies at Brookings. A second post-Iraq war letter by PNAC on March 28 called for broader international support for reconstruction, including the involvement of NATO, and brought together the same Democrats with the prominent addition of another Brookings' foreign policy scholar, Michael O'Hanlon.

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http://rightweb.irc-online.org/articles/display/Neocons_and_Liberals_Together_Again



That's from Rightweb. They're full of facts, for those who take the time to read and learn. One name to pay attention to is Victoria Nuland, our woman in Ukraine, who is married to PNAC co-founder Robert Kagan. Robert Kagan's brother is Frederick Kagan. Frederick Kagan's spouse is Kimberly Kagan.

Brilliant people, big ideas, etc. The thing is, that's a lot of PNAC and the PNAC approach to international relations means more wars without end for profits without cease, among other things detrimental to democracy, peace and justice.
Funny how that works. [View all] Octafish Aug 2015 OP
. annabanana Aug 2015 #1
Along with Dylan, Leslie West and Ozzy did that one, too. Octafish Aug 2015 #3
An odd bit of musical trivia: deutsey Aug 2015 #26
Father? Yes, son? Octafish Aug 2015 #54
Actually, no. Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2015 #57
What Adm. Morrison said. Octafish Aug 2015 #59
'Tis what he said Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2015 #64
Jim Morrison's dad breaks silence about estranged son Octafish Aug 2015 #65
The link I provided also has the quote. Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2015 #66
LOL. So now you say Adm. Morrison didn't hate on his son? Octafish Aug 2015 #69
Dearest 'fish, my upstanding compatriot. Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2015 #72
Cool story. I like it. DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2015 #71
Mountain's "Flowers of Evil" hifiguy Aug 2015 #63
Righteous band that was. Octafish Aug 2015 #70
Amen to that. dixiegrrrrl Aug 2015 #9
And we thought it would end with Obama. zeemike Aug 2015 #18
Ignore what? My friends are home from Bush's wars. tabasco Aug 2015 #51
Modern American blood baths don't need boots on the ground truedelphi Aug 2015 #58
I would hazard a guess that zeemike meant the dealers rather than the fighters erronis Aug 2015 #67
Exactly. Octafish Aug 2015 #81
It's the only jobs program we have... haikugal Aug 2015 #53
How far would some people go to become billionaires? Now, assume those people are GoneFishin Aug 2015 #2
That is a good question. Octafish Aug 2015 #5
RICO violations couldn't be any more glaring Doctor_J Aug 2015 #4
I like how the wall-to-wall domestic NSA spying has helped round them up. Octafish Aug 2015 #7
Kick! Juicy_Bellows Aug 2015 #6
Funny how things don't change...DU from 2002... Octafish Aug 2015 #10
It's a damn dirty history. Juicy_Bellows Aug 2015 #15
What a fascinating article, Octafish. hedda_foil Aug 2015 #23
Wish I'd written it, my Friend! Octafish Aug 2015 #34
Thanks. bvar22 Aug 2015 #45
Profiteering scum. Dark n Stormy Knight Aug 2015 #8
Rupert Murdoch's employee Roger Ailes and the turds outta Corporate McPravda. Octafish Aug 2015 #14
Thanks for the great links. Will need to bookmark and read most later. Dark n Stormy Knight Aug 2015 #21
I just finished the truthout piece above. WOW! Talk about a "must read." hedda_foil Aug 2015 #42
Television, the drug of the Nation OnyxCollie Aug 2015 #47
I LOVE that record. Octafish Aug 2015 #49
As I lay awake at night, OnyxCollie Aug 2015 #74
Most excellent links Octafish..thanks! haikugal Aug 2015 #55
News Corp, a rogues gallery. OnyxCollie Aug 2015 #76
K&R. nt OnyxCollie Aug 2015 #11
Carlyle Group pioneered the way forward. Others, like Trireme Partnerships followed... Octafish Aug 2015 #40
Hot & bothered, and itchin' for a new war. OnyxCollie Aug 2015 #44
Dan Quayle? The Potatoe? Octafish Aug 2015 #52
to read later Thanks for posting this. snagglepuss Aug 2015 #12
A warmonger's take on democracy Octafish Aug 2015 #61
Now now. Don't go getting sanctimonious. Scootaloo Aug 2015 #13
Who remembers John Kokal? Octafish Aug 2015 #77
K&R..... daleanime Aug 2015 #16
Who remembers Col. Westhusing? Octafish Aug 2015 #78
These are the folks who should be experiencing 2naSalit Aug 2015 #17
Yep, conspiracy theory is a powerful trump card zeemike Aug 2015 #19
It is too! 2naSalit Aug 2015 #20
The real victim is the truth. zeemike Aug 2015 #22
And so goes the 2naSalit Aug 2015 #29
Well Rome was considered civilized too. zeemike Aug 2015 #31
So true! nt 2naSalit Aug 2015 #32
Michael Parenti studied how the Republic descended into Empire... Octafish Aug 2015 #35
Fascinating lecture, thanks. zeemike Aug 2015 #41
Thanks for posting 2naSalit Aug 2015 #82
If conspiracies didn't exist, there wouldn't be laws against them. OnyxCollie Aug 2015 #48
War Pigs shadowmayor Aug 2015 #24
You have summed up the situation, shadowmayor. These are the par'lous times. Octafish Aug 2015 #68
Helter Skelter shadowmayor Aug 2015 #73
K&R Bookmarked. Scuba Aug 2015 #25
BFEE Line of Warmongers & Imperialists in service of War Inc. Octafish Aug 2015 #75
Morning Kick! (eom) CanSocDem Aug 2015 #27
Who remembers Paul Sanford? Octafish Aug 2015 #79
R & K! /nt RiverLover Aug 2015 #28
Who remembers Mark Lombardi? Octafish Aug 2015 #80
But but but...the BFEE...tee hee giggles! Rex Aug 2015 #30
It's to show them for what they are: supporters of warmongers, war criminals and traitors. Octafish Aug 2015 #36
True and they have done that, supporters of warmongers etc.. Rex Aug 2015 #39
k and r nashville_brook Aug 2015 #33
The Jeb Bush Adviser Who Should Scare You Octafish Aug 2015 #87
The pig in the photo looks so happy fadedrose Aug 2015 #37
2003 George W. Bush interview about 9/11: "...we got a laugh out of it." Octafish Aug 2015 #38
Three months after 911, the Dubya said: Oilwellian Aug 2015 #46
It all went swimmingly well! Juicy_Bellows Aug 2015 #50
K & R !!! WillyT Aug 2015 #43
Jeb Bush and His Brother’s Wars Octafish Aug 2015 #84
Kick and Rec! haikugal Aug 2015 #56
Bush Family War Profiteering Octafish Aug 2015 #85
This thread rocks Octafish...BOOKMARKED!!!!!! haikugal Aug 2015 #86
Kicked and recommended Uncle Joe Aug 2015 #60
Why the Mainstream Media Is Gung-Ho on War and Silencing Antiwar Voices Octafish Aug 2015 #88
Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Aug 2015 #62
People who say: ''Bush lied America into war'' are like NAZIs, BFEE Judge Silberman said. Octafish Aug 2015 #89
Plus one to the absolute fucking Max! Enthusiast Aug 2015 #90
K&R blackspade Aug 2015 #83
Warmongering Today Octafish Aug 2015 #91
They got the police state to keep themselves in power too. nilesobek Aug 2015 #92
Police State of the Art Octafish Aug 2015 #93
Thanks for your reply. I've read where you mentioned Frank Church. nilesobek Aug 2015 #94
dupe NT Octafish Aug 2015 #95
Frank Church warned us. Octafish Aug 2015 #96
I was born in '63, the year of the coup. nilesobek Aug 2015 #98
Rummy & Cheney are conspirators from WAYYY back, to the Ford Administration IIRC... One was Ghost in the Machine Aug 2015 #97
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