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In reply to the discussion: How not to treat your allies [View all]BumRushDaShow
(169,761 posts)160. "So Gore and Kerry are black men?
You'll have to ask their mommas.
<--- adding this for the sarcasm impaired
WV voted for the Republican in 2000 and 2004. (And 1984 and 1972, but those were pretty monumental waves)
I'm also talking about the Primaries. Aren't you? What you saw happen in 2008 with certain states (including here in PA in what is often dubbed "Pennsyltucky"
The key word you lopped off was "alone". Rage alone hasn't changed anything, because rage alone is too easy to manipulate by the status quo or lead to nihilism.
Uh, project much? I never said anything about "alone". In fact, I wrote that movements are not "monogamous" and offer a variety of methods. But apparently you ignored that and chose to "lop off" any sense of urgency and intensity that any group might feel with respect to what they feel is happening to them. In fact - THIS is what I wrote that you ignored-
"And if you think that "rage" hasn't changed anything, tell that to some of the Vietnam War protestors or Act Up! Most movements that bring about "change" are not monogamous. They deploy various methods to get what they want. "
Rage as the engine, but channeled through careful planning has been the only source of change in our country.
Right now, BLM has rage. They do not appear to have any planning. How do they propose for the President to "end racism"? What specific steps should he or she take? Are those actions actually legal?
Right now, BLM has rage. They do not appear to have any planning. How do they propose for the President to "end racism"? What specific steps should he or she take? Are those actions actually legal?
Here we go with what people keep saying over and over and over again. STOP. Just STOP defining what other people are and what they are "supposed to do". This is the very height of paternalistic white superiority. Unless you have gone full blown into joining that organization and even know how they operate, how can you sit on the high horse and dictate what you think they should do or not do?
And if it is appropriate to point that rage at someone who can't do anything until January 2017, why is it not appropriate to point that rage at someone who could do something right now?
And the obedient response must be "Yessuh massa suh".
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Since they're not heckling anyone else, I've wondered if there's some manipulation going on
Warpy
Aug 2015
#199
Forget understanding that it is a two-way street - they don't understand what respect looks like
Ms. Toad
Aug 2015
#184
Your analogy is idiotic almost beyond description. I actually flinched when I read it.
Gravitycollapse
Aug 2015
#5
Bernie Sanders is nothing less than the physical embodiment of a perfect savior.
AlbertCat
Aug 2015
#133
I remember when this behavior was celebrated. Code Pink, Dreamers, LGBT activists were roundly....
Tarheel_Dem
Aug 2015
#7
+1."He addressed it". If you can't take heckling, then get off the national stage. This is not new.
Tarheel_Dem
Aug 2015
#27
It wasn't 'heckling' - they took over the stage, and refused to let others speak
muriel_volestrangler
Aug 2015
#74
No need Comrade. I think they're pretty much done with BS & his supporters, as am I.
Tarheel_Dem
Aug 2015
#203
Because Bernie's SUCH a racist. Oh, what a racist. Just HATES black people, dontcha know?
senz
Aug 2015
#221
And vice versa. At least until BLM gets its nut bar problem taken care of.
Comrade Grumpy
Aug 2015
#283
Looking at it from BLM's perspective, there's plenty of "nut bars" on the flipside as well.
Tarheel_Dem
Aug 2015
#287
Obama has been in office for eight years and I have lost count of the black lives lost
Tipperary
Aug 2015
#98
Are you saying that Bernie should have stood there and "mud wrestled those young woman for the mike
ladjf
Aug 2015
#106
Well I'm glad they voted to leave it, since it was clearly intended as a description of behavior,
senz
Aug 2015
#188
If you can't take heckling, have closed events and charge $3,000 per person for admittance.
arcane1
Aug 2015
#303
You're obviously not paying attention to the response to people opposed to the tactics
Ms. Toad
Aug 2015
#264
If nothing else but for his own safety he'll probably end up with a security team...
raindaddy
Aug 2015
#279
And I stand by those critiques, just as you should stand by yours. Just pointing out that those...
Tarheel_Dem
Aug 2015
#14
Well, alrighty then. Not really responsible for what "you remember", but then there's a lot of...
Tarheel_Dem
Aug 2015
#22
First of all, where did you hear that? Link? And no, I would not be in support of anyone who...
Tarheel_Dem
Aug 2015
#30
Then the poster lied. The charge was that someone called Bernie a racist. Nice try.
Tarheel_Dem
Aug 2015
#48
So, now BS is a feeble old man? That's twice I've seen a statement like this. If that's the new...
Tarheel_Dem
Aug 2015
#75
Go after the president for what? Having the best Dept of Justice in my lifetime? Who do you think
Tarheel_Dem
Aug 2015
#87
John Lewis will appreciate your elevation of him, but AFAIK he's still a Congressman, not Senator.
Tarheel_Dem
Aug 2015
#163
Nope. I sat on a jury for one post, where one of his "supporters", with 13k posts decried BLM....
Tarheel_Dem
Aug 2015
#167
The good news is BLM will probably leave BS alone now. Of course, that also dooms his candidacy.
Tarheel_Dem
Aug 2015
#174
You're laughing at the thought of the demise of the most liberal candidate?
LittleBlue
Aug 2015
#176
What I find laughable is all the hurt feewings suddenly. The hardcore activist community is crying
Tarheel_Dem
Aug 2015
#182
Not really a comparison, except I wouldn't vote for either of them for dogcatcher.
Tarheel_Dem
Aug 2015
#202
Try getting him the nomination without black Democrats. The road to the WH for any "DEMOCRAT"......
Tarheel_Dem
Aug 2015
#291
Naw. I have a better idea. Let's have some debates that aren't geared to hide HRC.
R. Daneel Olivaw
Aug 2015
#293
BS has shown now, on two occasions, he's not ready for primetime. Middle aged, middle class...
Tarheel_Dem
Aug 2015
#294
You go on now and keep up with that meme. I'm sure some suckers will believe you.
R. Daneel Olivaw
Aug 2015
#295
Exactly. Activism isn't supposed to make us all warm & squishy. In fact, it's supposed to do...
Tarheel_Dem
Aug 2015
#52
Excellent statement. "Biases" have to be taken into account. I just want those who cheered on CP..
Tarheel_Dem
Aug 2015
#60
Whatever they want? Thank Gawd it's a free country. People can change their minds. BS' supporters
Tarheel_Dem
Aug 2015
#77
You did not celebrate it, you have always opposed those tactics and Bernie Sanders. Be honest.
Bluenorthwest
Aug 2015
#103
Ever hear the phrase "a distinction without a difference"? Surely you jest.
Tarheel_Dem
Aug 2015
#216
Okay. The president is "the administration." Whatever horrible things are being done in our name,
senz
Aug 2015
#219
I always find "speakers" who've been on Capitol Hill for decades, and haven't accomplished shit.....
Tarheel_Dem
Aug 2015
#222
Bernie Sanders has been an excellent public servant for 25 years, being reelected easily,
senz
Aug 2015
#226
Thanks, but I'll pass on your links as I'm assuming it's the post & poster I trashed earlier today.
Tarheel_Dem
Aug 2015
#267
So, in your mind, BLM would have to sanctioned by Dr. King to be a legitimate movement? n/t
Tarheel_Dem
Aug 2015
#23
You don't call a man whose father's family was wiped out in the Holocaust a white supremacist.
beam me up scottie
Aug 2015
#16
When you make a libelous statement like the one you made, proof should take "priority". And if you
Tarheel_Dem
Aug 2015
#41
Yeah, that's kinda what I thought. You took time away from the "movie set" to make an outrageous..
Tarheel_Dem
Aug 2015
#46
You can't have a discussion with someone who makes unsubstantiated claims like...Hillary supporters
Tarheel_Dem
Aug 2015
#56
Hey, aren't you busy on the "movie set"? You keep responding, but not a single link to your charge?
Tarheel_Dem
Aug 2015
#62
I'm sorry, but where does it say that BS is a white supremacist? Maybe you could zero in on that...
Tarheel_Dem
Aug 2015
#68
Well, I certainly wouldn't want to keep you. But as soon you locate "racist"; "white supremacist"..
Tarheel_Dem
Aug 2015
#72
Nice try, but that post talks about BS "supporters", and AFAIK, bravenak is not a "Hillary supporter
Tarheel_Dem
Aug 2015
#180
Tens of thousands of black families were wiped out in the AMERICAN holocaust.
BumRushDaShow
Aug 2015
#33
But before you demonstrate, you do the basic research that is needed so that your demonstration has
JDPriestly
Aug 2015
#51
Thiis is a horrible thought, but could it be that these people pick on him ratheer than otheer
JDPriestly
Aug 2015
#40
I understand and strongly sympathize with their fight, but until he is president, Bernie can't
JDPriestly
Aug 2015
#233
It's one thing to demonstrate, get your point across and try to get change.
JDPriestly
Aug 2015
#262
Interesting although as one who remembers the time, Jewish people were at the forefront of
JDPriestly
Aug 2015
#70
"If you are Black and you don't like either the Clintons, O'Malley or Bernie..
BumRushDaShow
Aug 2015
#282
I live in California. If Hillary hasn't won by the time California votes, she won't win, period.
JDPriestly
Aug 2015
#307
We keep being told that black people don't know him yet, but you think they know he's Jewish?
Tarheel_Dem
Aug 2015
#81
I'm glad there's still people here looking at things with an emotional detachment.
RichVRichV
Aug 2015
#248
Morons scream at the one candidate who has fought hardest for them over his career
NightWatcher
Aug 2015
#110
True. If some loud-mouthed bully like that grabbed Hillary's mike and started hurling abuse
senz
Aug 2015
#209
I'm not an ally of these useless fucks who stopped Sanders from speaking. I decided that on my own.
DisgustipatedinCA
Aug 2015
#140
Let me storm the next BLM rally to start yelling about Medicaid and social security.
Kurska
Aug 2015
#211