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8. One "form of interruption" I don't see listed

Reply to Spider Jerusalem (Original post)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 03:56 PM

Aug 2015

would be 'being presented with the information that one is, or very likely is, a racist."

I've gotten that one several times lately. As a defensive move, I have fallen into "argumentation", which of course demonstrates my White Fragility.

Social and behavioral research is well and good. My ethical foundations aren't shaken because a friend-of-a-friend carelessly lumps me into her category of "another white liberal racist" based on some imaginary connections known only to her.

Racism is a huge and enduring problem, not only in the South where I live, but all across the country.

I'm about as privileged as one can be, a white male from an educated family. I don't have any "white guilt" nor do I have any personal apologies I feel I need to make. I do believe however that enduring institutions, such as the state, do have an obligation to apologize for past (and present) injustices.

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White fragility (lot of this around here recently!): [View all] Spider Jerusalem Aug 2015 OP

Isn't this the inverse paralell of 'White-'splaining?' HFRN Aug 2015 #1

I think Robin DiAngelo is white. ..nt TeeYiYi Aug 2015 #4

Her surname is italian, Drahthaardogs Aug 2015 #9

No, it is a well written and well supported/documented academic article emulatorloo Aug 2015 #5

Precisely. whathehell Aug 2015 #86

Let's set the timer on how long it takes this thread to be blocked. nt TheBlackAdder Aug 2015 #2

This message was self-deleted by its author Comrade Grumpy Aug 2015 #3

Oh no, I'm so fragile!!!!! BillZBubb Aug 2015 #6

What about when it's CODE PINK or OCCUPY, though, telling black people to shut up/not speak... MADem Aug 2015 #30

I think code pink and occupy have had episodes of obnoxiousness too, clearly, Warren DeMontague Aug 2015 #35

We didn't get dozens of hot-breathed, angry, outraged threads here saying so, though. MADem Aug 2015 #37

Maybe. I dont know what I was doing when code pink heckled Obama, but I would have criticized it. Warren DeMontague Aug 2015 #38

The difference is obvious. MADem Aug 2015 #40

I'm not exactly a giant fan of code pink OR occupy. Warren DeMontague Aug 2015 #41

It's not about what you like, though. I am saying that I have observed much MADem Aug 2015 #43

Personally, I don't think the people who shut down Sanders are indicative of anyone but themselves. Warren DeMontague Aug 2015 #45

Tell that to the people who have started thread after thread railing against these three MADem Aug 2015 #55

you are correct, under the circumstances you describe, that's hypocrisy. Warren DeMontague Aug 2015 #63

The individual who was swarmed and kicked off DU by hide after undeserved hide MADem Aug 2015 #76

Primaries are always ugly here, as you know. Warren DeMontague Aug 2015 #84

You can see what she wrote on her transparency page. MADem Aug 2015 #87

I've seen some experts in baiting and alert-swarming here, over the years. Not to mention swarming Warren DeMontague Aug 2015 #91

No one here at DU invented that baiting stuff. That goes back to the early days of the internet. MADem Aug 2015 #99

The poster question encouraged that Armstead Aug 2015 #143

I look askance at your description of your encounter. I think there's more to the story. MADem Aug 2015 #147

It wasn't a swarm -- it was an individual encounter Armstead Aug 2015 #153

I will wait for your link. Bravenak was trying to tell people this was coming. No one listened. nt MADem Aug 2015 #155

Here: Armstead Aug 2015 #160

Over and over and over again in that thread, she tries to get people to LISTEN to what she is saying MADem Aug 2015 #170

I disagreed with her. Armstead Aug 2015 #176

You called her a gleeful troller just upthread. She doesn't sound like one to me. Damn. MADem Aug 2015 #180

I'm not going to endlessly debate one poster as representative of everyone Armstead Aug 2015 #181

One man's snarky is another man's forthright, I guess. MADem Aug 2015 #182

I don't think you know what went on in my mind during that exchange Armstead Aug 2015 #184

No, but I can read what each person wrote, and draw my own conclusions. MADem Aug 2015 #187

....and Bernie Sanders caused the crisis in Ferguson, how? Armstead Aug 2015 #185

Good grief. Who said that? Anyone? Buehller? MADem Aug 2015 #186

I responded to snark with snark Armstead Aug 2015 #188

That didn't work, so now the new theme is scream "WE STAND TOGETHER" if any black person dares MADem Aug 2015 #189

I admire your tenacity Armstead Aug 2015 #190

+1,000 GitRDun Aug 2015 #92

Excellent post AuntPatsy Aug 2015 #161

You're acting as if you yourself aren't employing a double standard. Marr Aug 2015 #112

There's a fine line between snark and actual disapprobation that you MADem Aug 2015 #116

Nice attempt at parsing there. You didn't *start* threads on Code Pink, but you certainly Marr Aug 2015 #118

There's a difference between expressing an opinion in an existing thread, of which there were few, MADem Aug 2015 #125

DU *did* blow up over that Code Pink thing. And the Occupy incident. Marr Aug 2015 #138

Not like this--not even CLOSE. GD AND GD - P are stuffed to the gills with HOW DARE THEY? posts. MADem Aug 2015 #146

Stop trying to change the subject. Marr Aug 2015 #150

I am not changing the subject. MADem Aug 2015 #154

Well, we've made progress then. I'm glad you're not defending these assholes. /nt Marr Aug 2015 #157

You continue to miss the point. They do not want nor need my "defense." MADem Aug 2015 #159

No, I feel the same way about all 3. RiffRandell Aug 2015 #131

One thing they DON'T have in common is thread after thread of poutrage. MADem Aug 2015 #142

Wait - what? JustAnotherGen Aug 2015 #136

Heh heh! nt MADem Aug 2015 #148

Yup, and DU talked about it despite MADems selective memory ProudToBeBlueInRhody Aug 2015 #156

My memory is not selective--there were a few threads, not dozens and dozens over days. MADem Aug 2015 #163

It's a hell of a lot different from a man who was invited to speak, who thousands came to see, and.. ProudToBeBlueInRhody Aug 2015 #169

Of course it's not the same thing--and the number of threads regarding each event proves my point. MADem Aug 2015 #172

You seem very upset Ms Marissa has been exposed as a Palinbot ProudToBeBlueInRhody Aug 2015 #173

Um, she said she had a Palin button on her backpack... when she was 16 years old. PeaceNikki Aug 2015 #174

So she supported Palin against Barack Obama...... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Aug 2015 #175

I am saying that she was 16. I liked Creed when I was 16 so I was pretty fucking dumb then, too. PeaceNikki Aug 2015 #177

Huh? Have you even been reading what I have been writing? She doesn't give a SHIT about MADem Aug 2015 #178

No shit she doesn't give a shit about politics ProudToBeBlueInRhody Aug 2015 #193

No, the difference is DU doesn't care if RWers ProudToBeBlueInRhody Aug 2015 #152

I didn't see dozens and dozens of anti-Code Pink threads, nor did I see dozens and dozens of MADem Aug 2015 #158

Great another God damned straw man. You people never give up. BillZBubb Aug 2015 #44

Now you trundle out the "you people?" Really? MADem Aug 2015 #58

You people trying desperately to defend the indefensible BLM antics. BillZBubb Aug 2015 #62

Here--let me give YOU some direction: I think you'd better quit while you're behind. MADem Aug 2015 #88

So you are fragile when you hear "you people" no matter the context? BillZBubb Aug 2015 #101

.............. MADem Aug 2015 #103

"And you wonder why TONE is a problem...." Facility Inspector Aug 2015 #139

Well, I was in southwest Asia at the time, so I wouldn't know! nt MADem Aug 2015 #149

That is not a straw man. She did not suggest you said that. Nor did she change your argument stevenleser Aug 2015 #59

You are incorrect. BillZBubb Aug 2015 #64

No, that is not a straw man. She did not suggest you said those things nor did she change your stevenleser Aug 2015 #68

WRONG! BillZBubb Aug 2015 #100

it is indeed psychobabble Skittles Aug 2015 #46

Shame on you, you fragile white supremacist! BillZBubb Aug 2015 #49

let me bow to you, BillZBubb Skittles Aug 2015 #51

I think the terminology is problematic alarimer Aug 2015 #162

yup Skittles Aug 2015 #195

It's a good article. TeacherB87 Aug 2015 #64

Winner here. TY 840high Aug 2015 #111

I too call things I'm ignorant of 'psychobabble.' LanternWaste Aug 2015 #179

There must be a lot of psychobabble in your world. BillZBubb Aug 2015 #196

Step 1: Scream hostile nonsense at someone's candidate LittleBlue Aug 2015 #7

+1 nt hifiguy Aug 2015 #14

I agree mythology Aug 2015 #20

Agreed.... total bullshit truebrit71 Aug 2015 #24

this^^^^^ Duckhunter935 Aug 2015 #26

to an ideologue their ideology explains everything and encompasses everything MisterP Aug 2015 #31

...and this is "what's the matter with Kansas". another fact-proof ideology. bbgrunt Aug 2015 #73

it's how they run the party: "X is good because they're a Dem and not because of any policy and Y MisterP Aug 2015 #74

This post is why we need a "Like" button. Ruby the Liberal Aug 2015 #32

Right. A religious fundamentalist with a history of supporting Sarah Palin shuts down a speech by Warren DeMontague Aug 2015 #34

Yep. Deadshot Aug 2015 #48

It's anti-white racism sub.theory Aug 2015 #56

Yes they do. 840high Aug 2015 #113

+1 Marr Aug 2015 #60

LOL! whathehell Aug 2015 #85

Then scream and lecture us instead of admitting how much RiffRandell Aug 2015 #127

One "form of interruption" I don't see listed cheapdate Aug 2015 #8

Right because the only proper response is #bowdownbernie. aikoaiko Aug 2015 #10

Jury Results Quayblue Aug 2015 #11

Whow Leave it alone 7-0 Well done! riversedge Aug 2015 #71

indeed nt Quayblue Aug 2015 #78

Failed 0-7, huh? stone space Aug 2015 #134

Very thought provoking etherealtruth Aug 2015 #12

Typical alert GitRDun Aug 2015 #28

why do you assume they are "Sanders folks" ? Skittles Aug 2015 #47

The Sanders Group has more than its share of zealots GitRDun Aug 2015 #57

ALL the "Tiger Beat" clubs here have ZEALOTS Skittles Aug 2015 #93

lol ok GitRDun Aug 2015 #95

Recommend. Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #13

I was on the jury that alerted you for complaining about Bravenak's "Flagging for Review" daredtowork Aug 2015 #17

Hyper-reactive is a good way to describe it. Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #22

Considering that the flagged individual who you are defending brentspeak Aug 2015 #50

You might want to meditate on Bravenak's comment instead daredtowork Aug 2015 #70

That article doesn't advocate rioting brentspeak Aug 2015 #72

NYT: When Are Violent Protests Justified daredtowork Aug 2015 #75

That's absolute crap. joshcryer Aug 2015 #117

A very thoughtful post. nt MADem Aug 2015 #183

Calling out monkey-wrenching is not being fragile.[n/t] Maedhros Aug 2015 #15

What is "monkey - wrenching?" What is that term supposed to mean? nt MADem Aug 2015 #42

Google is your friend. BillZBubb Aug 2015 #52

Well, I used Google, and you should make its acquaintance, because that word does not mean MADem Aug 2015 #66

I simply gave you a suggestion. I made no reference to the usage in the post. BillZBubb Aug 2015 #69

Ah, so you inserted yourself into the conversation to insinuate that I didn't check first, when in MADem Aug 2015 #77

Sorry that your ego is so fragile. BillZBubb Aug 2015 #102

........... MADem Aug 2015 #105

Oh, brother. /nt Marr Aug 2015 #61

They're not using the term right. stevenleser Aug 2015 #67

The correct vernacular term for political dirty tricks hifiguy Aug 2015 #79

I kinda figured. The problem with that accusation is, BLM has been around since 2012. It was formed stevenleser Aug 2015 #80

My Spidey-sense hears a dog whistle. I could be wrong. I'm often not, though. nt MADem Aug 2015 #83

In this thread? zappaman Aug 2015 #96

Interestingly, the etymology of "sabotage" is exactly parallel Recursion Aug 2015 #133

"How to respond in constructive ways." hfojvt Aug 2015 #16

Use accusatory language, and you'll get defensive reactions The2ndWheel Aug 2015 #18

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Aug 2015 #19

No shit..... truebrit71 Aug 2015 #25

I'm wondering if it's an offshoot of All Lives Matter daredtowork Aug 2015 #27

+1 840high Aug 2015 #115

Got lots of liberal white supremacists here... MellowDem Aug 2015 #21

... romanic Aug 2015 #23

... Spider Jerusalem Aug 2015 #29

95% romanic Aug 2015 #33

Thanks susanr516 Aug 2015 #36

So I read it. I will admit that I started skimming the second half so I'll ask this question... aikoaiko Aug 2015 #39

Nice! TeacherB87 Aug 2015 #53

Bookmarked. nt Stellar Aug 2015 #54

Got guilt? n/t Peregrine Took Aug 2015 #81

I know. We're all terrible people. kestrel91316 Aug 2015 #82

The fact that I was too mildly-annoyed to read this: Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #89

White privilege. kiva Aug 2015 #90

It's just awesome that 90% of the replies are only reinforcing the point of the OP. Good job! Spider Jerusalem Aug 2015 #94

Kick and rec! zappaman Aug 2015 #97

In-fighting romanic Aug 2015 #98

Baloney. BillZBubb Aug 2015 #104

Yes, they're tripping over each other to prove the point of the article. betsuni Aug 2015 #114

Anyone who doesn't agree with the article is proving the article right Democat Aug 2015 #121

I have no idea what you're trying to say. betsuni Aug 2015 #122

Like melman said below 'If you say it's wrong that proves it's right.' Jetboy Aug 2015 #123

Still don't understand. betsuni Aug 2015 #124

How is it possilbe that agreeing with the article validates it's Jetboy Aug 2015 #126

If your question is serious, here: betsuni Aug 2015 #128

I read through all of that and I believe even more firmly that Jetboy Aug 2015 #132

Actually, you can disagree with it... joshcryer Aug 2015 #129

Ah melman Aug 2015 #119

How does that relate to Bernie speaking to a group about Social Security and Medicare? still_one Aug 2015 #106

I know it must be important because it was in a big gray box on my monitor tularetom Aug 2015 #107

CORRECT Skittles Aug 2015 #108

Sometimes there is just right and wrong. What BLM did to Sanders was wrong. n/t Jetboy Aug 2015 #109

From Vanilla Nightmare to White Fragility. This post proves one thing. Adrian Piper is more Monk06 Aug 2015 #110

The responses here are absolutely fascinating. joshcryer Aug 2015 #120

The people with the knee-jerk responses marle35 Aug 2015 #135

Ssshhh! They still haven't figured out that no "Democrat" can get the nomination without blacks. Tarheel_Dem Aug 2015 #130

But they intend to shout down any of those people who dare to speak up. MADem Aug 2015 #164

I actually think Symone (a female Cornel West) will work to BS' detriment, but don't tell anyone. Tarheel_Dem Aug 2015 #165

I think this idea of hers is just stupid....why not just bellow "Shut UP Shut UP Shut UP!" at MADem Aug 2015 #166

Honestly, I think BLM is done with BS & his supporters. They have nothing to fear going forward. Tarheel_Dem Aug 2015 #168

Really! MADem Aug 2015 #191

Okay, so let me get it straight: I'm fragile if I get angry, Buns_of_Fire Aug 2015 #137

Should they just "Bow Down?" Facility Inspector Aug 2015 #140

As someone who has written a couple of "fragile white" OPs, I think this is bullshit Armstead Aug 2015 #141

About your #1... OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #145

Thanks...Coffee and work call, but will try to respond later Armstead Aug 2015 #151

The way people are reacting here you'd think they kicked his dog or threw a brick at him. PeaceNikki Aug 2015 #144

Insecurity check. Rex Aug 2015 #167

How exactly do you know what color the posters on this site are? Are you Psychic? TheSarcastinator Aug 2015 #171

How do you know who's white? Turin_C3PO Aug 2015 #192

The funny thing is, no one thinks THEY'RE the limousine/Latte liberal!!! ProudToBeBlueInRhody Aug 2015 #194