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dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
77. Wow I just read that article
Sun Aug 9, 2015, 04:15 PM
Aug 2015

Thanks for the link, I guess...

He makes many good points about the state of our political system, all the while using then to make a case against Sanders, who is undoubtedly the closest thing we have as a member of Congress (and the Senate no less) to addressing the very problems the author correctly identifies.

That's not wise at all, IMO. Many of his points are things like "Sanders can't do it alone, the establishment won't let him" then he uses those points against Bernie rather than lending his shoulder to help him.

If Bernie weren't on his side of the issues, it would make sense. But he essentially blames him for being a war-monger neo-liberal capitalist. The irony is strong here.

I'm all for critques from the left that include perspective and identify who are the obstacles to reform. That's not what this was, it was a piece saying don't bother with Sanders, he can't save us. By the same logic, which he amazingly doesn't apply, we sure as hell shouldn't bother with any of the other candidates, in fact far less so.

And the critique of Bernie for voting to support Clinton's omnibus crime bill (which I have heard Bernie explain the vote as something he did with reluctance and because of specific concessions he was able to get, and the fact that he didn't see getting anything better out of that president and congress (I'm paraphrasing from memory, always dangerous, no time to actually dig up the remarks)) is really ironic. It is now being used against Bernie to the benefit of the wife of the president who pushed that very bill, without the concessions Bernie was able to get.

It's analysis and tactics like this that illustrate why the left never makes any progress in this country. There are myriad monied forces lined up against the left, it has precious little financed infrastructure of its own to defend its positions with, and its own people are often eager to attack it for being inefective and making any compromises to work with the system, even when the people they attack are actively working, to a much greater degree, than any other elected congresspeople or Senators. Not good enough, Bernie. Obviously it never will be for some.

I am guilty of many of the same things when it comes to Obama. The difference, in my view, is Obama doesn't challenge money and power, he challenges the powerless left instead. If I felt that Obama was sincere in efforts to rein in the police state or the bankers or the military or the prison industry or the health insurers or the surveillance state, I would have his back. Unfortunately Obama gives us drones, surveillance, TPP, lets people like Geithner foam the runways for bankers while homeowners are destroyed, he only steps up and uses his political muscle when it benefits someone wealthy and powerful.

That isn't Sanders at all, and no amount of mental gymnastics can make it true. Bernie won't be able to fix everything, but he's a hell of a lot more on our side of these issues than any choice that has existed in my long lifetime, and he deserves better.

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20 ways to be a BLM racist [View all] upi402 Aug 2015 OP
Bernie's long history of racism finally exposed! LittleBlue Aug 2015 #1
I "literally" can't imagine him without his white hood FlatBaroque Aug 2015 #80
K & R AzDar Aug 2015 #2
He's still perceived as an old white guy from Vermont and he knows it. Gormy Cuss Aug 2015 #3
I'm sure Hillary's list is much larger than Bernies. L0oniX Aug 2015 #7
I love your sense of irony! marble falls Aug 2015 #15
He doesn't sound like an old white guy from Vermont 6chars Aug 2015 #17
As a native of Northern New England, he sounds like one to me. Gormy Cuss Aug 2015 #45
He's from Brooklyn. eom Cleita Aug 2015 #47
Yes, I know. His accent is New York, his politics are VT Gormy Cuss Aug 2015 #48
Yep, I grew up with people like that, all my New England relatives. n/t RKP5637 Aug 2015 #54
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2015 #31
WoW DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #36
That poster joined today and has two posts and said he/she is voting for Jeb. 1monster Aug 2015 #41
Love your Carl Jung signature stating that the most dangerous AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #75
TY, but it is that complex? DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #79
So voting for Jeb addresses racial injustice? Gormy Cuss Aug 2015 #39
"They let him know that he's got work to do." - disagree 100% upi402 Aug 2015 #33
I read the whole link before I commented Gormy Cuss Aug 2015 #42
Morally impeccable record spanning 50 years. So a phony controversy must be invented to GoneFishin Aug 2015 #4
It's the long established Atwater/Rove strategy. hifiguy Aug 2015 #60
Wow. I wish I had your optimism. Actually... Smarmie Doofus Aug 2015 #5
That's some inexpensive psychoanalysis right there. What is your expertice on the collective ..... marble falls Aug 2015 #18
WoW, indeed... DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #35
Hi. I am a psychoanalyst. You're utterly misguided. nolabear Aug 2015 #72
Has BLM called Bernie racist? kwassa Aug 2015 #6
Bernie was called a "White Supremacist" by BLM posers 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #9
I think more appropriate for these individuals BLM stands for "Black Lecturing Mutterers"... cascadiance Aug 2015 #14
"Not even associated with Black Lives Matter"? JHB Aug 2015 #22
I think my point was, she was not an official representative 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #29
Can you point to the "official" BLM apology? JHB Aug 2015 #43
Is this the same one you refer to? 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #46
Possibly. The link no longer works. JHB Aug 2015 #66
No, I read the Seattle BLM actually disavowed that apology dreamnightwind Aug 2015 #70
Thanks for this. upi402 Aug 2015 #58
Not this one on the Left, eyes wide open. appalachiablue Aug 2015 #65
It manifests in all groups, without regard to ideology or even topic JHB Aug 2015 #67
Remember what the DNC did to Howard Dean? gregcrawford Aug 2015 #8
His full Seattle speech is linked here; upi402 Aug 2015 #23
Just imagine the reaction if Bernie had not allowed it. Enthusiast Aug 2015 #59
No kidding. n/t ljm2002 Aug 2015 #73
I noticed that in the Seattle media last night, disappointing for sure. His evening event appalachiablue Aug 2015 #68
The two issues that BLM sites have focused on are Sanders vote to extradite Assata Shakur from Cuba cascadiance Aug 2015 #10
What is Hillary Clinton's position on the Death Penalty? HappyPlace Aug 2015 #26
I wish the youth of today were more educated TM99 Aug 2015 #28
Wow I just read that article dreamnightwind Aug 2015 #77
My question is. Cleita Aug 2015 #11
paid operatives do what they are told restorefreedom Aug 2015 #52
This poll show the gap on Hillary closing FAST the past 3 weeks upi402 Aug 2015 #56
There were WHITE protestors along road HRC took to a private fundraiser. Divernan Aug 2015 #71
I've seen that laundry list of accomplishments (some of them subjective, but..) it would be helpful George II Aug 2015 #12
Please explain which ones are subjective and if you want dates, there is Google. Cleita Aug 2015 #16
Not my list, I'm not googling anything thank you. George II Aug 2015 #20
I didn't think so. eom Cleita Aug 2015 #21
Of course you are not 840high Aug 2015 #51
"BLM" should be in scare quotes nxylas Aug 2015 #13
See #22 above JHB Aug 2015 #24
Uh huh ProudToBeBlueInRhody Aug 2015 #38
Try not to equate all BLM with these trolls. BLM was invited to and spoke at the event Exultant Democracy Aug 2015 #19
I've heard crickets from Black Lives Matter in Seattle upi402 Aug 2015 #25
And they basically disowned the apology offered by that one individual trying to put a good face... cascadiance Aug 2015 #30
Cornel West must be just face palming upi402 Aug 2015 #53
Jesus too. Enthusiast Aug 2015 #61
That's just wrong upi402 Aug 2015 #62
Jesus is good buds with Dr. West. Enthusiast Aug 2015 #78
For the two women on the stage mudstump Aug 2015 #27
The same is true of a lot 840high Aug 2015 #50
Yep. And so many here defend this childish, selfish, assholish behavior. hifiguy Aug 2015 #63
Bookmarking to use wherever needed. his thread isn't getting much attention snagglepuss Aug 2015 #32
Thank you. Full Seattle speech linked here; upi402 Aug 2015 #34
I think mudstump Aug 2015 #37
Yes, it doesn't make any sense. moondust Aug 2015 #40
K & R +1000 Duppers Aug 2015 #44
#blacklivesmatterswinsagain JustAnotherGen Aug 2015 #49
Kick and R BeanMusical Aug 2015 #55
Yep. Guilty as charged... just another liberal white supremacist. cherokeeprogressive Aug 2015 #57
Ya never know what's lurking under that damn white skin upi402 Aug 2015 #64
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Aug 2015 #69
K&R ion_theory Aug 2015 #74
Doesn't this belong in GD-P, not GD? This is a post ENTIRELY about a Democratic candidate. nt MADem Aug 2015 #76
Locking thread TexasTowelie Aug 2015 #81
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