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Zalatix

(8,994 posts)
Sat May 19, 2012, 04:10 PM May 2012

To all the Dems out there who are sick of President Obama, I think I get it. [View all]

You're not interested in voting for him because of the NDAA (in which the indefinite detention section has been thrown out by a Federal judge, mind you ), the use of combat drones, and the ever-expanding use of extrajudicial summary executions on pesky brown people who aren't US citizens (wait, no, two of them were, in fact).

You cannot in good conscience vote for a President that so thoroughly violates your principles. You refuse to compromise what you feel is an open and shut case of right vs wrong. I for one do not see 'purist' to be an insult here.

Well, I am sure that many have spoken their pragmatist approach to this, so I'll keep it short: I'm voting for President Obama to prevent even WORSE abominations of civil liberties and further violations of the global cause of human rights, from happening. Mitt Robme is going to have a far larger list of people to subject to summary executions, and I won't vote third party just because I don't want to split the anti-Robme vote.

Grant you, I totally admire your moral consistency. It hurts me to have to take the pragmatist route, even if it would hurt worse to see Robme win and the world go totally to shit with no way of getting back out. At least Obama is going downhill with the foot on the brakes; you may not think he is, at least until you're in Robme's car and he's got his foot burying the accelerator through the floorboard. You will know, under his regime, what "Full Scream Ahead" really means.

I know it's hard for you to do this, but can we all please just support President Obama for now and come back to this in 2016? Then all the pragmatists and purists alike can for once agree: we will ALL fight during the Primary for a liberal candidate that will, among other things, repeal the indefinite detention clause of the NDAA (unless the Supreme Court does), and scale back or put an end to summary executions.

Meanwhile, right now, we can all pledge to fight together, pragmatists and purists, to elect liberal Democrats at the local and statewide level.

I know it won't be easy pushing this message here, considering that a number of purists have been attacked, and a few have had their posts hidden, and some perhaps even PPR'd, because of the maddeningly crazy situation where purism would put you at TOS-level odds with Obama'12. It's maddening because I know you're loyal liberal Democrats who are standing by your beliefs and to stand by your principles is to elect Robme by default. I am not sure if all of my fellow pragmatists understand the pain of compromising your principles to prevent an abomination from entering the White House. (I'm sure some of you understand, but not all.) There's going to be some very bad blood between the purists and pragmatists and I don't know how we can heal that. And asking the purists to go pragmatist for 2012 is an outright slap to their face, I know this.

Somewhere the Devil (or the god of Capitalism, or whatever is the devil in your belief system) is laughing at this incredibly masterful act of divisiveness.

If I were the owner I would outright abolish the post-hiding and PPR'ing of purists, in favor of a case-by-case compromise. Hell, I'm already compromising my views to vote for Obama in 2012 to prevent Robme from winning; might as well compromise on that, too.

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RT: Congress still okay with indefinite detention and torture of Americans Fire Walk With Me May 2012 #1
That's why we need to elect liberals to Congress. Zalatix May 2012 #5
That's why the masses of this country need to stand up and scream "NO!" Fire Walk With Me May 2012 #7
I would make opposition to indefinite detention one of the 2016 litmus tests. Zalatix May 2012 #10
They're planning on flying drones NOW. They're using HR347 in Chicago NOW. Fire Walk With Me May 2012 #12
Are you saying Obama shouldn't be re-elected?...nt SidDithers May 2012 #13
No I didn't say that. Not just no, but hell no. Zalatix May 2012 #15
Question wasn't to you...nt SidDithers May 2012 #16
except, as Hedges said, even Sanders voted for it. bbgrunt May 2012 #20
RT. LOL...nt SidDithers May 2012 #8
The government has 60 days to appeal the decision, so the cheering is a bit early. Also, sad sally May 2012 #2
Well said... liberty is a global thing, not just an American thing. Zalatix May 2012 #11
Unless the candidate is purer than Jesus -supposedly- was... randome May 2012 #3
The what now? Having read your posts I think you "got it" a long time ago. great white snark May 2012 #4
What now? I don't know, really. Zalatix May 2012 #9
I appreciate your position, most of us "purists" (that is a rather poor term to use by the way) Dragonfli May 2012 #25
Yes, it's the Rightward creep that bugs me deep down. Zalatix May 2012 #26
You are what old guys like me used to call reasonable pragmatists. Dragonfli May 2012 #29
Maybe I'm naive, but cthulu2016 May 2012 #6
Voting for the Lesser or two evils is no longer working.. lib2DaBone May 2012 #14
"...to destroy Social Security..." ? randome May 2012 #17
Good question. I wouldn't call Pres. Obama a "wolf in sheep's clothing" Zalatix May 2012 #19
"indefinite detention section has been thrown out by a Federal judge" kenny blankenship May 2012 #18
The price of freedom is eternal vigilance. Zalatix May 2012 #21
There are NO Democrats sick of President Obama NoPasaran May 2012 #22
Is that so? Every Democrat agrees with NDAA? Chicago school of economics? Dragonfli May 2012 #28
And let me add that the weight of Liberalism and Progressivism rests on Obama's shoulders. FarLeftFist May 2012 #23
"will be decades until another one is nominated." marmar May 2012 #27
Yeah but everyone else IS under that illusion. So if he fails we'll have nothing but centrists for FarLeftFist May 2012 #30
The rule of law is the result of compromise. AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #24
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