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Warren DeMontague

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45. Personally, I don't think the people who shut down Sanders are indicative of anyone but themselves.

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 08:27 PM

Aug 2015

Judging by the stuff they've said, they're at best seriously delusional and at worst deliberately disingenuous about their motive and aims.

I do think it's worth- if this is really about the primary process- soul searching on the part of, say, Hillary supporters (of which I may end up being one. I'm still undecided, personally) to examine how they would honestly react if it had been one of her speeches that had been disrupted to the point of cancellation, if it was her who was bullied to the point of nearly physical intimidation on stage.

If the reaction would be the same, hey, great. I can say with full honesty that if it had been Hillary or any other candidate my reaction would be the same. Let the candidate speak. If people want the podium, they can run for office themselves.

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White fragility (lot of this around here recently!): [View all] Spider Jerusalem Aug 2015 OP

Isn't this the inverse paralell of 'White-'splaining?' HFRN Aug 2015 #1

I think Robin DiAngelo is white. ..nt TeeYiYi Aug 2015 #4

Her surname is italian, Drahthaardogs Aug 2015 #9

No, it is a well written and well supported/documented academic article emulatorloo Aug 2015 #5

Precisely. whathehell Aug 2015 #86

Let's set the timer on how long it takes this thread to be blocked. nt TheBlackAdder Aug 2015 #2

This message was self-deleted by its author Comrade Grumpy Aug 2015 #3

Oh no, I'm so fragile!!!!! BillZBubb Aug 2015 #6

What about when it's CODE PINK or OCCUPY, though, telling black people to shut up/not speak... MADem Aug 2015 #30

I think code pink and occupy have had episodes of obnoxiousness too, clearly, Warren DeMontague Aug 2015 #35

We didn't get dozens of hot-breathed, angry, outraged threads here saying so, though. MADem Aug 2015 #37

Maybe. I dont know what I was doing when code pink heckled Obama, but I would have criticized it. Warren DeMontague Aug 2015 #38

The difference is obvious. MADem Aug 2015 #40

I'm not exactly a giant fan of code pink OR occupy. Warren DeMontague Aug 2015 #41

It's not about what you like, though. I am saying that I have observed much MADem Aug 2015 #43

Personally, I don't think the people who shut down Sanders are indicative of anyone but themselves. Warren DeMontague Aug 2015 #45

Tell that to the people who have started thread after thread railing against these three MADem Aug 2015 #55

you are correct, under the circumstances you describe, that's hypocrisy. Warren DeMontague Aug 2015 #63

The individual who was swarmed and kicked off DU by hide after undeserved hide MADem Aug 2015 #76

Primaries are always ugly here, as you know. Warren DeMontague Aug 2015 #84

You can see what she wrote on her transparency page. MADem Aug 2015 #87

I've seen some experts in baiting and alert-swarming here, over the years. Not to mention swarming Warren DeMontague Aug 2015 #91

No one here at DU invented that baiting stuff. That goes back to the early days of the internet. MADem Aug 2015 #99

The poster question encouraged that Armstead Aug 2015 #143

I look askance at your description of your encounter. I think there's more to the story. MADem Aug 2015 #147

It wasn't a swarm -- it was an individual encounter Armstead Aug 2015 #153

I will wait for your link. Bravenak was trying to tell people this was coming. No one listened. nt MADem Aug 2015 #155

Here: Armstead Aug 2015 #160

Over and over and over again in that thread, she tries to get people to LISTEN to what she is saying MADem Aug 2015 #170

I disagreed with her. Armstead Aug 2015 #176

You called her a gleeful troller just upthread. She doesn't sound like one to me. Damn. MADem Aug 2015 #180

I'm not going to endlessly debate one poster as representative of everyone Armstead Aug 2015 #181

One man's snarky is another man's forthright, I guess. MADem Aug 2015 #182

I don't think you know what went on in my mind during that exchange Armstead Aug 2015 #184

No, but I can read what each person wrote, and draw my own conclusions. MADem Aug 2015 #187

....and Bernie Sanders caused the crisis in Ferguson, how? Armstead Aug 2015 #185

Good grief. Who said that? Anyone? Buehller? MADem Aug 2015 #186

I responded to snark with snark Armstead Aug 2015 #188

That didn't work, so now the new theme is scream "WE STAND TOGETHER" if any black person dares MADem Aug 2015 #189

I admire your tenacity Armstead Aug 2015 #190

+1,000 GitRDun Aug 2015 #92

Excellent post AuntPatsy Aug 2015 #161

You're acting as if you yourself aren't employing a double standard. Marr Aug 2015 #112

There's a fine line between snark and actual disapprobation that you MADem Aug 2015 #116

Nice attempt at parsing there. You didn't *start* threads on Code Pink, but you certainly Marr Aug 2015 #118

There's a difference between expressing an opinion in an existing thread, of which there were few, MADem Aug 2015 #125

DU *did* blow up over that Code Pink thing. And the Occupy incident. Marr Aug 2015 #138

Not like this--not even CLOSE. GD AND GD - P are stuffed to the gills with HOW DARE THEY? posts. MADem Aug 2015 #146

Stop trying to change the subject. Marr Aug 2015 #150

I am not changing the subject. MADem Aug 2015 #154

Well, we've made progress then. I'm glad you're not defending these assholes. /nt Marr Aug 2015 #157

You continue to miss the point. They do not want nor need my "defense." MADem Aug 2015 #159

No, I feel the same way about all 3. RiffRandell Aug 2015 #131

One thing they DON'T have in common is thread after thread of poutrage. MADem Aug 2015 #142

Wait - what? JustAnotherGen Aug 2015 #136

Heh heh! nt MADem Aug 2015 #148

Yup, and DU talked about it despite MADems selective memory ProudToBeBlueInRhody Aug 2015 #156

My memory is not selective--there were a few threads, not dozens and dozens over days. MADem Aug 2015 #163

It's a hell of a lot different from a man who was invited to speak, who thousands came to see, and.. ProudToBeBlueInRhody Aug 2015 #169

Of course it's not the same thing--and the number of threads regarding each event proves my point. MADem Aug 2015 #172

You seem very upset Ms Marissa has been exposed as a Palinbot ProudToBeBlueInRhody Aug 2015 #173

Um, she said she had a Palin button on her backpack... when she was 16 years old. PeaceNikki Aug 2015 #174

So she supported Palin against Barack Obama...... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Aug 2015 #175

I am saying that she was 16. I liked Creed when I was 16 so I was pretty fucking dumb then, too. PeaceNikki Aug 2015 #177

Huh? Have you even been reading what I have been writing? She doesn't give a SHIT about MADem Aug 2015 #178

No shit she doesn't give a shit about politics ProudToBeBlueInRhody Aug 2015 #193

No, the difference is DU doesn't care if RWers ProudToBeBlueInRhody Aug 2015 #152

I didn't see dozens and dozens of anti-Code Pink threads, nor did I see dozens and dozens of MADem Aug 2015 #158

Great another God damned straw man. You people never give up. BillZBubb Aug 2015 #44

Now you trundle out the "you people?" Really? MADem Aug 2015 #58

You people trying desperately to defend the indefensible BLM antics. BillZBubb Aug 2015 #62

Here--let me give YOU some direction: I think you'd better quit while you're behind. MADem Aug 2015 #88

So you are fragile when you hear "you people" no matter the context? BillZBubb Aug 2015 #101

.............. MADem Aug 2015 #103

"And you wonder why TONE is a problem...." Facility Inspector Aug 2015 #139

Well, I was in southwest Asia at the time, so I wouldn't know! nt MADem Aug 2015 #149

That is not a straw man. She did not suggest you said that. Nor did she change your argument stevenleser Aug 2015 #59

You are incorrect. BillZBubb Aug 2015 #64

No, that is not a straw man. She did not suggest you said those things nor did she change your stevenleser Aug 2015 #68

WRONG! BillZBubb Aug 2015 #100

it is indeed psychobabble Skittles Aug 2015 #46

Shame on you, you fragile white supremacist! BillZBubb Aug 2015 #49

let me bow to you, BillZBubb Skittles Aug 2015 #51

I think the terminology is problematic alarimer Aug 2015 #162

yup Skittles Aug 2015 #195

It's a good article. TeacherB87 Aug 2015 #64

Winner here. TY 840high Aug 2015 #111

I too call things I'm ignorant of 'psychobabble.' LanternWaste Aug 2015 #179

There must be a lot of psychobabble in your world. BillZBubb Aug 2015 #196

Step 1: Scream hostile nonsense at someone's candidate LittleBlue Aug 2015 #7

+1 nt hifiguy Aug 2015 #14

I agree mythology Aug 2015 #20

Agreed.... total bullshit truebrit71 Aug 2015 #24

this^^^^^ Duckhunter935 Aug 2015 #26

to an ideologue their ideology explains everything and encompasses everything MisterP Aug 2015 #31

...and this is "what's the matter with Kansas". another fact-proof ideology. bbgrunt Aug 2015 #73

it's how they run the party: "X is good because they're a Dem and not because of any policy and Y MisterP Aug 2015 #74

This post is why we need a "Like" button. Ruby the Liberal Aug 2015 #32

Right. A religious fundamentalist with a history of supporting Sarah Palin shuts down a speech by Warren DeMontague Aug 2015 #34

Yep. Deadshot Aug 2015 #48

It's anti-white racism sub.theory Aug 2015 #56

Yes they do. 840high Aug 2015 #113

+1 Marr Aug 2015 #60

LOL! whathehell Aug 2015 #85

Then scream and lecture us instead of admitting how much RiffRandell Aug 2015 #127

One "form of interruption" I don't see listed cheapdate Aug 2015 #8

Right because the only proper response is #bowdownbernie. aikoaiko Aug 2015 #10

Jury Results Quayblue Aug 2015 #11

Whow Leave it alone 7-0 Well done! riversedge Aug 2015 #71

indeed nt Quayblue Aug 2015 #78

Failed 0-7, huh? stone space Aug 2015 #134

Very thought provoking etherealtruth Aug 2015 #12

Typical alert GitRDun Aug 2015 #28

why do you assume they are "Sanders folks" ? Skittles Aug 2015 #47

The Sanders Group has more than its share of zealots GitRDun Aug 2015 #57

ALL the "Tiger Beat" clubs here have ZEALOTS Skittles Aug 2015 #93

lol ok GitRDun Aug 2015 #95

Recommend. Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #13

I was on the jury that alerted you for complaining about Bravenak's "Flagging for Review" daredtowork Aug 2015 #17

Hyper-reactive is a good way to describe it. Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #22

Considering that the flagged individual who you are defending brentspeak Aug 2015 #50

You might want to meditate on Bravenak's comment instead daredtowork Aug 2015 #70

That article doesn't advocate rioting brentspeak Aug 2015 #72

NYT: When Are Violent Protests Justified daredtowork Aug 2015 #75

That's absolute crap. joshcryer Aug 2015 #117

A very thoughtful post. nt MADem Aug 2015 #183

Calling out monkey-wrenching is not being fragile.[n/t] Maedhros Aug 2015 #15

What is "monkey - wrenching?" What is that term supposed to mean? nt MADem Aug 2015 #42

Google is your friend. BillZBubb Aug 2015 #52

Well, I used Google, and you should make its acquaintance, because that word does not mean MADem Aug 2015 #66

I simply gave you a suggestion. I made no reference to the usage in the post. BillZBubb Aug 2015 #69

Ah, so you inserted yourself into the conversation to insinuate that I didn't check first, when in MADem Aug 2015 #77

Sorry that your ego is so fragile. BillZBubb Aug 2015 #102

........... MADem Aug 2015 #105

Oh, brother. /nt Marr Aug 2015 #61

They're not using the term right. stevenleser Aug 2015 #67

The correct vernacular term for political dirty tricks hifiguy Aug 2015 #79

I kinda figured. The problem with that accusation is, BLM has been around since 2012. It was formed stevenleser Aug 2015 #80

My Spidey-sense hears a dog whistle. I could be wrong. I'm often not, though. nt MADem Aug 2015 #83

In this thread? zappaman Aug 2015 #96

Interestingly, the etymology of "sabotage" is exactly parallel Recursion Aug 2015 #133

"How to respond in constructive ways." hfojvt Aug 2015 #16

Use accusatory language, and you'll get defensive reactions The2ndWheel Aug 2015 #18

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Aug 2015 #19

No shit..... truebrit71 Aug 2015 #25

I'm wondering if it's an offshoot of All Lives Matter daredtowork Aug 2015 #27

+1 840high Aug 2015 #115

Got lots of liberal white supremacists here... MellowDem Aug 2015 #21

... romanic Aug 2015 #23

... Spider Jerusalem Aug 2015 #29

95% romanic Aug 2015 #33

Thanks susanr516 Aug 2015 #36

So I read it. I will admit that I started skimming the second half so I'll ask this question... aikoaiko Aug 2015 #39

Nice! TeacherB87 Aug 2015 #53

Bookmarked. nt Stellar Aug 2015 #54

Got guilt? n/t Peregrine Took Aug 2015 #81

I know. We're all terrible people. kestrel91316 Aug 2015 #82

The fact that I was too mildly-annoyed to read this: Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #89

White privilege. kiva Aug 2015 #90

It's just awesome that 90% of the replies are only reinforcing the point of the OP. Good job! Spider Jerusalem Aug 2015 #94

Kick and rec! zappaman Aug 2015 #97

In-fighting romanic Aug 2015 #98

Baloney. BillZBubb Aug 2015 #104

Yes, they're tripping over each other to prove the point of the article. betsuni Aug 2015 #114

Anyone who doesn't agree with the article is proving the article right Democat Aug 2015 #121

I have no idea what you're trying to say. betsuni Aug 2015 #122

Like melman said below 'If you say it's wrong that proves it's right.' Jetboy Aug 2015 #123

Still don't understand. betsuni Aug 2015 #124

How is it possilbe that agreeing with the article validates it's Jetboy Aug 2015 #126

If your question is serious, here: betsuni Aug 2015 #128

I read through all of that and I believe even more firmly that Jetboy Aug 2015 #132

Actually, you can disagree with it... joshcryer Aug 2015 #129

Ah melman Aug 2015 #119

How does that relate to Bernie speaking to a group about Social Security and Medicare? still_one Aug 2015 #106

I know it must be important because it was in a big gray box on my monitor tularetom Aug 2015 #107

CORRECT Skittles Aug 2015 #108

Sometimes there is just right and wrong. What BLM did to Sanders was wrong. n/t Jetboy Aug 2015 #109

From Vanilla Nightmare to White Fragility. This post proves one thing. Adrian Piper is more Monk06 Aug 2015 #110

The responses here are absolutely fascinating. joshcryer Aug 2015 #120

The people with the knee-jerk responses marle35 Aug 2015 #135

Ssshhh! They still haven't figured out that no "Democrat" can get the nomination without blacks. Tarheel_Dem Aug 2015 #130

But they intend to shout down any of those people who dare to speak up. MADem Aug 2015 #164

I actually think Symone (a female Cornel West) will work to BS' detriment, but don't tell anyone. Tarheel_Dem Aug 2015 #165

I think this idea of hers is just stupid....why not just bellow "Shut UP Shut UP Shut UP!" at MADem Aug 2015 #166

Honestly, I think BLM is done with BS & his supporters. They have nothing to fear going forward. Tarheel_Dem Aug 2015 #168

Really! MADem Aug 2015 #191

Okay, so let me get it straight: I'm fragile if I get angry, Buns_of_Fire Aug 2015 #137

Should they just "Bow Down?" Facility Inspector Aug 2015 #140

As someone who has written a couple of "fragile white" OPs, I think this is bullshit Armstead Aug 2015 #141

About your #1... OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #145

Thanks...Coffee and work call, but will try to respond later Armstead Aug 2015 #151

The way people are reacting here you'd think they kicked his dog or threw a brick at him. PeaceNikki Aug 2015 #144

Insecurity check. Rex Aug 2015 #167

How exactly do you know what color the posters on this site are? Are you Psychic? TheSarcastinator Aug 2015 #171

How do you know who's white? Turin_C3PO Aug 2015 #192

The funny thing is, no one thinks THEY'RE the limousine/Latte liberal!!! ProudToBeBlueInRhody Aug 2015 #194