White fragility (lot of this around here recently!):

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170. Over and over and over again in that thread, she tries to get people to LISTEN to what she is saying

and none of y'all want to hear her. You DELIBERATELY misinterpreted--and took offense at--her STFU comments. She specifically said EVERYONE has to STFU at times to get their candidate elected. Did you miss that bit? Or did you dismiss it because she should be the one STFU-ing, like always, so you don't have to?

She didn't say this to you, but it applies to you as much as anyone refusing to HEAR her:

The fact that you are so dismissive and call it a stunt is why you are helping your candidate lose. I understand black people very well. You should heed me. You won't and that makes me sad because I want Bernie to win and folks like yourself are RUINING it. Kinda felt snobby. The way you speak to me lets me know you do not see me as an equal or value my input. I feel left out and discarded.

Then right after that, someone (since PPRd) showed up to call her a "nagger." Real cute.

I understand her frustration. There's not much worse than being talked down to, talked over, disregarded, told to shut up, that you need to hush up and vote the way that is "best" for you. That swarm that shut Bravenak up resonated with a lot of people here--it was a representation of that "attitude" that some voices are more valued than others, particularly when they're telling some hard truths that some segments don't want to hear.

And if anyone started out 'rude' in that exchange, you replied BULLSHIT to this well thought out post:

Like I said, change the way you frame the issues.

Rather than complain about Obama, respect his accomplishments and say how Bernie will expand/build upon them. And stop being so angry and defensive; it is not helpful. If you want to win you have to act like winners. Losers trash other candidates because they are insecure, winners are confident that they will meet their goals.
Really, to win black votes you have to understand black voters. We like Obama. We do not like people badmouthing them. You wanna steal us from Hillary? Don't be a snob. Be nice to us. Support our movements. We go with the folks who TREAT us KINDLY. We know that as long as we have a Democrat, we can breathe easier, no matter who the Democrat is. These differences between candidates that seem as wide as the grand canyon, are not as big of a deal to us. We are already stressed out; the last thing we need are lofty academic lectures or snark. The Hillary folks are nice to us. You have to be nice too or we go to her.

It is not about you, your feelings, or your ideology. It is about putting Bernie in the White House.

I think you didn't read the full thread, or hear what she was saying. She wasn't "jumping" you -- she was telling you that everyone has to sit down and shut up and LISTEN sometimes. And ironically, you refused to HEAR her:

Everyone has to stfu sometimes.

Especially if what you are saying is making you lose. If biting your tongue will get your candidate into the White House, the smart thing to do is stfu.

This post --where she explains her truth--really infuriated you:

Here, let me try to help you with your concerns.

It is not the same for you. Most leaders in this nation hve been white. We ONLY have Obama. There is really nothing you can do but bite your tongue hard as hell if yiu want to win. Black people have been doing that with White democratic leaders FOREVER. For once, y'all gotta hush.

You have to let go of your anger about things you thought Obama was going to do but didn't actually do. Look at the shit black folks have been through. We look at you guys crazy wondering how the hell are you madder than we are. We think you guys turned on him very quickly in a way you'd never do to a white liberal, fair or not, that is the perception. The level of anger towards him just feeds the narrative that white progressives are NOT our allies really, and just use us as pawns and turn on us when we step off the plantation. In order to stop feeding into it, you guys have to stfu for once. Otherwise black folks will just remain with the default candidate. Fair or foul, it is a big ass turn off and is KILLING you with black voters. Read what MalcolmX said about white liberals being worse than republicans. We know we are being used. We have aoways known and we are tired of sinking further and falling farther behind while white liberals worry about THEIR paychecks; we worry about our children making it home alive. Sorry, but our issues are much more important to us than the oligarchy. Hell, we see YOU as a part of the system that oppresses us.

Of course black folks run the spectrum politically. But we stick together.

She tried like hell to explain. You can't DU "HIDE" those feelings away from sea to shining sea, either. You can turn DU into an unrealistic bubble, but it won't help. And speaking of HELP, that's what she was trying to do--the irony is quite remarkable.

You're not doing a very good job proving your point with this link. Sorry. The one who seems "erratic" here isn't Bravenak. She was catching shit from all sides in that thread and she was responding with heart and passion. And TRUTH. That's the most compelling bit. She was tellling the truth, and people didn't want to hear her.