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49. Thatt usually refers to a person choosing death

Tue Aug 11, 2015, 01:00 AM

Aug 2015

for himself.

It's not a religious phrase. More a military/chivalrous/macho code, I think.

This is a whole different thing.

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Dad lets daughter drown in Dubai so she's not 'dishonored' by male lifeguards' touch [View all] kiva Aug 2015 OP

What an absolute monster! Initech Aug 2015 #1

If she needed emergency surgery he would probably only allow a woman to perform the surgery. virgogal Aug 2015 #27

Saudi-Arabian paramedics get that shit all the time: DetlefK Aug 2015 #69

the last line is very revealing about the beliefs from that culture samsingh Aug 2015 #134

Religious taboos and illusions form their reality. It's like a form of psychosis, almost. n/t nomorenomore08 Aug 2015 #161

does he feel women can become doctors? samsingh Aug 2015 #133

Seriously sick troglodyte! InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2015 #228

Remind me again what a great force for civilization religulon is, will you? hifiguy Aug 2015 #2

With Sky Daddy simply being the projection of shithead Daddy's ego. snagglepuss Aug 2015 #12

Really? Because this murderous notion of "dishonor" abounds in all religions? WinkyDink Aug 2015 #15

Certainly in all Abrahamic religions, at one time or another. nomorenomore08 Aug 2015 #24

True. But women are dying TODAY. Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #39

But you keep talking about Islam Recursion Aug 2015 #53

Hindu is really bad I think - though from my own experience, Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #56

Buddhism has been the beneficiary of a massive worldwide publicity campaign Recursion Aug 2015 #59

Mynmar ... TheFarS1de Aug 2015 #76

GREAT post leftynyc Aug 2015 #72

Thank you! Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #80

I know the situation is horrifying, but what can we do? Treat all Muslims (including non-fundies) nomorenomore08 Aug 2015 #157

I think, like with most problems, leftynyc Aug 2015 #179

I think it's a fine line between rejecting scapegoating of a particular group or faith - nomorenomore08 Aug 2015 #208

And that seems to be another leftynyc Aug 2015 #212

...and Turkey, under its psycho leader Erdogan, Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #213

I can't answer that leftynyc Aug 2015 #214

Rhetorical question. It's generally said that the Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #217

I think the ONLY thing leftynyc Aug 2015 #218

Ah, hon. You are not an insider so you just don't get it. Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #219

Would it help if I did understand? leftynyc Aug 2015 #220

If you want to help, Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #225

OK - yes I'm a woman leftynyc Aug 2015 #229

My thoughts on that Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #215

Fantastic ideas. You should really consider re-working this post into an OP. nomorenomore08 Aug 2015 #234

Thank YOU! smirkymonkey Aug 2015 #181

Okay, all Muslims are evil people and we should expel them from Western countries. nomorenomore08 Aug 2015 #156

No actually that's just as bad! Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #202

I agree with most of what you just posted. nomorenomore08 Aug 2015 #210

Going back to the Inquisition, eh? Funny; this time I'd expect it. WinkyDink Aug 2015 #174

Not even. Have you taken a look at, say, Uganda lately? nomorenomore08 Aug 2015 #209

It's common in a lot of rural, tribal cultures jberryhill Aug 2015 #30

What do you know about it? These are "nice" talking points! Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #40

I think you should call 911 if you are being murdered jberryhill Aug 2015 #44

No offense, but that's not very helpful. nomorenomore08 Aug 2015 #162

So religious bigotry is the answer? Maedhros Aug 2015 #138

The answer is very far in our future and very complex. Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #145

The story of that French teacher is appalling. She should've been fired at the very least. nomorenomore08 Aug 2015 #158

You and I agree. Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #203

I don't think it is appropriate to call it "bigotry." hifiguy Aug 2015 #148

Ascribing negative traits to an entire group based upon limited knowledge of that group Maedhros Aug 2015 #149

I don't disagree. hifiguy Aug 2015 #153

I would disagree with your conjecture regarding why the Somali kids joined ISIS. Maedhros Aug 2015 #166

Thanks for your post. I'm not a fan of religion in general, but I don't hate Muslims (or Christians nomorenomore08 Aug 2015 #159

I'm an atheist, but "othering" ethnic and religious groups is a fascist trait. Maedhros Aug 2015 #167

It can be a somewhat fine line between criticizing a religion - which is totally legit - nomorenomore08 Aug 2015 #168

All of the Abrahamic religions have troublesome dogma. Maedhros Aug 2015 #169

Whoosh~ smirkymonkey Aug 2015 #182

I'm in awe of the depth and nuance of your response. Maedhros Aug 2015 #191

You seem to think that religious bigotry is the bigger problem here, when someone who smirkymonkey Aug 2015 #193

to establish your point, can you cite several non-Islamic current examples? whatthehey Aug 2015 #107

A beach in Dubai ain't "tribal." WinkyDink Aug 2015 #176

this ass hole is responsible for his own actions. Don't put it on God. God is love roguevalley Aug 2015 #51

The toxic shit he believes, religion, hifiguy Aug 2015 #61

That is a fantastic quote... nomorenomore08 Aug 2015 #160

Feel free to spread it around That just popped into my head. hifiguy Aug 2015 #170

Touche! smirkymonkey Aug 2015 #183

When the NY Daily News put "Dubai" in the headline, you came running. closeupready Aug 2015 #85

WTF are you talking about? hifiguy Aug 2015 #139

You mean, aside from great architecture, music, and art? WinkyDink Aug 2015 #177

Fundamentalism is the problem. uppityperson Aug 2015 #222

Scott Walker? OffWithTheirHeads Aug 2015 #3

Ha ha! Funny! Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #41

And the gay men from that same world. Your pain is real. I'm sorry for your anguish. n/t Betty Karlson Aug 2015 #68

Thanks. You make it better. I just want to be respected and not silenced. Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #94

A complete and total scumbag malaise Aug 2015 #4

he was arrested. that is something Liberal_in_LA Aug 2015 #11

For real malaise Aug 2015 #13

Only if they try and convict him leftynyc Aug 2015 #73

They will try to convict. But the sentence Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #82

And that's why this kind of shit keeps happening leftynyc Aug 2015 #84

Thanks! Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #88

Coercion at the leftynyc Aug 2015 #91

And every society started that way, Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #92

Thanks, you are a breath of fresh air :) Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #42

To me it is the sign of a weak man. A man who places his ego above his own flesh and blood smirkymonkey Aug 2015 #184

Well said malaise Aug 2015 #200

I cant imagine how twisted your perspective has to be for this sort of thing to happen Egnever Aug 2015 #5

It's disgusting. I really don't understand these people. smirkymonkey Aug 2015 #9

I know them. They are not monsters - not in the usual meaning Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #43

I don't mean all Muslims, I mean anyone of any religion that would sacrifice their own child for smirkymonkey Aug 2015 #180

And he was so busy fighting the men who wanted to save her that he didn't tblue37 Aug 2015 #64

Disgusting. It all stems back to these effing misogynistic Abrahamic religions. Arugula Latte Aug 2015 #6

So true Person 2713 Aug 2015 #26

+1. hifiguy Aug 2015 #34

A long time ago all kinds of people did all kinds of appalling things. Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #45

People are still buying into these ridiculous myths. Undead Jesus is coming back to Earth. Muhammud Arugula Latte Aug 2015 #48

I subscribe to no faith, myself. Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #54

I guess you want me to say "Islam is the only problem." Arugula Latte Aug 2015 #60

But every time I - or anyone - dares to say "Islam IS the cause of honor killings" Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #67

Well, I am the LAST person on DU to defend Islam. Arugula Latte Aug 2015 #129

Islam expanded so quickly for one reason hifiguy Aug 2015 #154

I think fundamentalism in any form is dangerous, whether it's religion, politics or nationalism. smirkymonkey Aug 2015 #185

I really appreciate your perspective here. smirkymonkey Aug 2015 #186

Hey thanks! Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #192

BTW, your screen name "Syzygy" with other numbers smirkymonkey Aug 2015 #194

Yah, it's a cute word! Though sometimes I think it sounds a little Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #196

I came from a science family and l kind of liked how it was easy for me smirkymonkey Aug 2015 #198

That was beautiful. hifiguy Aug 2015 #63

Ha ha! I wish you could too, my friend! :) Arugula Latte Aug 2015 #66

Hindus and Buddhists don't seem to be much better (nt) Recursion Aug 2015 #52

I don't know anything about Buddhists. Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #57

Yes. Nuns are kicked out of convents if they are raped Recursion Aug 2015 #58

That's unfair to Judaism and Christianity. Donald Ian Rankin Aug 2015 #70

Correct me if I am wrong.... odd_duck Aug 2015 #150

Yes, and when you think about it, Arugula Latte Aug 2015 #164

Preview of the Teabagger Nation. kairos12 Aug 2015 #7

WE are dying and you are making cheap political cracks. Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #46

I am so sorry get the red out Aug 2015 #75

Thank you! Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #81

Ah, religion NightWatcher Aug 2015 #8

omg Liberal_in_LA Aug 2015 #10

"It cost him the life of his daughter." AND THAT WORDING EXEMPLIFIES THE PROBLEM. "IT COST HIM....." WinkyDink Aug 2015 #14

yep... dhill926 Aug 2015 #18

so much WTF, she was a 20 YR OLD WOMAN. AND NOW SHE IS DEAD. bettyellen Aug 2015 #23

You have to have conscience to be haunted. hifiguy Aug 2015 #32

Thank you. Me too. And truly, I think it will. Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #47

No - I can't imagine leftynyc Aug 2015 #74

I think in general women adapt. Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #86

I've never been married leftynyc Aug 2015 #87

Ah well. Then I am glad for you :) Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #90

If a God like that is real, fuck him. I'll take hell instead. Oneironaut Aug 2015 #16

If there is a God he is an incompetent POS. Who with those powers would let any child die? Lets... Logical Aug 2015 #22

The Abrahamic monotheisms, hifiguy Aug 2015 #33

Are you really leftynyc Aug 2015 #104

The human race really should have outgrown hifiguy Aug 2015 #127

Want to give another crack leftynyc Aug 2015 #130

All are derived from the same poisonous hifiguy Aug 2015 #135

I see you have zero problem leftynyc Aug 2015 #137

*thumbs up* WinkyDink Aug 2015 #173

Maybe God was really the envious one, when he cast Lucifer out of heaven... nomorenomore08 Aug 2015 #28

Just who is strange here? lpbk2713 Aug 2015 #17

What. The. Fuck. City Lights Aug 2015 #19

That's great parenting right there...... nt Guy Whitey Corngood Aug 2015 #20

Well, fuck his chicken-shit cowardly ass. Ilsa Aug 2015 #21

I don't often advocate the death penalty AndreaCG Aug 2015 #36

Ah yes, well it's Islam and culture so yeah, no judgement here riderinthestorm Aug 2015 #25

Seriously melman Aug 2015 #55

It's nauseating leftynyc Aug 2015 #106

You sure as hell do see those excuses when priestly pedophilia is the topic. whatthehey Aug 2015 #112

I'd have to see an example of that leftynyc Aug 2015 #114

You noticed that too? smirkymonkey Aug 2015 #187

Yep - happens in fires too jberryhill Aug 2015 #29

See my post #62 below. nt tblue37 Aug 2015 #65

"Death before dishonor" gratuitous Aug 2015 #31

Thatt usually refers to a person choosing death Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #49

It's also found in places like the code of bushido. hifiguy Aug 2015 #155

Interesting! Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #199

I do not understand this type of thinking Marrah_G Aug 2015 #35

I wish I was back in grad school, because I think this would make a great thesis topic. smirkymonkey Aug 2015 #189

I know something about honor killings. Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #37

They shouldn't be called honor killings lostnfound Aug 2015 #98

I wish we would change the name to "male reputation killings". Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #100

Bingo! That's exactly it! smirkymonkey Aug 2015 #188

So horrendous. Don't they ever live to regret it? Are they so incapable of self-reflection... lostnfound Aug 2015 #230

That's funny (weird not haha) because in some cases Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #231

I won't call you a bigot or Islamophobe. I think I misjudged you in my initial response. nomorenomore08 Aug 2015 #163

the numbers often say it's higher among non-Muslim Yezidis MisterP Aug 2015 #207

What the heck? Catherine Vincent Aug 2015 #38

How, in the name of EVERYTHING GOOD & DECENT in this world, can we *ever* fix STUPID like that?? Ghost in the Machine Aug 2015 #50

Remember the Saudi schoolgirls who died in a fire when they tblue37 Aug 2015 #62

Yet criticism of this kind of pre-human barbarism hifiguy Aug 2015 #171

This did not happen because of Judaism or Christianity. Donald Ian Rankin Aug 2015 #71

Damn straight! ericson00 Aug 2015 #77

I'm surprised you aren't fighting leftynyc Aug 2015 #83

Right, how about those ultraorthodox Jews and the ultrafundy Xians. hobbit709 Aug 2015 #89

They are a problem. But if you think Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #97

They don't get it. TexasMommaWithAHat Aug 2015 #101

And she will be in a community of fundamentalists that Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #109

This, as I say, below, is a specifically Islamic fatal lunacy. Other religions have their own tho' whatthehey Aug 2015 #111

I think we agree. I want all coercive religions Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #120

I'm ot minimizing Islam's role. I view ALL religions the same when it comes down to it. hobbit709 Aug 2015 #118

As for Orthodox Jews.... harrose Aug 2015 #221

Feel free to post any stories leftynyc Aug 2015 #108

Feel free to post any about non-Christians letting children die needlessly due to prayer "healing" whatthehey Aug 2015 #113

No, it's like saying a drunk driver isn't as bad as Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #116

All my thanks. Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #95

Not just a Wahabbi, but a dumbass one JCMach1 Aug 2015 #96

I know. Weird. Not mainstream UAE. Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #99

Probably..., I most likely have been on the beach where this happened JCMach1 Aug 2015 #140

No! It happened because of a disgusting need to control women! AuntPatsy Aug 2015 #136

Radical Islam romanic Aug 2015 #175

I think the fact that this kind of stuff happens in rich and poor countries, north and south, ericson00 Aug 2015 #78

such little regard for life notadmblnd Aug 2015 #79

And there were no women around....... WillowTree Aug 2015 #93

It's like they're from a different planet aint_no_life_nowhere Aug 2015 #102

It's like they are from about 1500 years ago. leftyladyfrommo Aug 2015 #103

Even 1500 years ago people valued the lives of thier children Marrah_G Aug 2015 #232

I'm not sure they valued lives of their female children. leftyladyfrommo Aug 2015 #233

who are we to question his deeply held religious beliefs? whatthehey Aug 2015 #105

. Iggo Aug 2015 #110

Most excellent! hifiguy Aug 2015 #195

"The Asian Father:" Maybe the family was not Muslim? Bad Thoughts Aug 2015 #115

Heheh. Those darn Japanese are not known for Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #117

Most people responding here are simply assuming that it was a native famiy Bad Thoughts Aug 2015 #119

He was foreign. And most UAE fathers would find Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #123

However conservative they might be, 99% are going to identify this as murder, or manslaughter... JCMach1 Aug 2015 #146

You are right. It's a mixed bag and Islam Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #147

can't even say that... the radicalization of the last 50 odd years lays JCMach1 Aug 2015 #204

For you to convince me of that, you would have to Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #206

Even the Ottomans were essentially a tribal state, so really you can't visualize JCMach1 Aug 2015 #211

Asia is chock full of Islam. Facility Inspector Aug 2015 #122

Of course it is. And lots of other things. eom. Bad Thoughts Aug 2015 #125

fer sure Facility Inspector Aug 2015 #128

That reporter must be an Islamaphobe to dishonor Muslim culture that way. Binkie The Clown Aug 2015 #121

Dad has some 'splainin' to do when he gets home JustABozoOnThisBus Aug 2015 #124

And she'll do well to keep it to herself, no? WinkyDink Aug 2015 #178

But they had to touch her to save her life! Why did he murder his daughter? I hope Rex Aug 2015 #126

"By his own logic, he is himself totally without honor." And there it is... nomorenomore08 Aug 2015 #165

If they're that extreme, why do they not have female lifeguards as well? KamaAina Aug 2015 #131

because every desperate bachelor in the city would pretend to drown on a regular basis... JCMach1 Aug 2015 #141

I see. So that wouldn't be "dishonorable", just the other way around. KamaAina Aug 2015 #142

it would, but because one is culturally acceptable by the patriarchy and the other not... that is JCMach1 Aug 2015 #144

Do you think the general anger is Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #201

All of the above... plus there is also a generalized racism against 'Asians' JCMach1 Aug 2015 #205

almost speechless here. what turns a man into such a monster? samsingh Aug 2015 #132

Arrested and prosecuted by authorities... JCMach1 Aug 2015 #143

Disaster averted WestCoastLib Aug 2015 #151

Before we mock them HassleCat Aug 2015 #152

I mock them as well. hifiguy Aug 2015 #172

Hey I just wanna add Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #190

Perhaps if he wasn't so busy trying to prevent others from helping her, hughee99 Aug 2015 #197

�This is an old incident that dates back to 1996" Bad Thoughts Aug 2015 #216

Thanks for the info, kiva Aug 2015 #224

Madness Mr Dixon Aug 2015 #223

That's as stupid and self-centered as a person can be. nt ladjf Aug 2015 #226

Religion is insane. nt valerief Aug 2015 #227