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BillZBubb

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108. The fact that you make accusations without knowing the facts...

Tue Aug 11, 2015, 10:53 AM

Aug 2015

says a lot about you.

First, I was responding to a post from the "latest threads" entitled "Open letter to progressives: You’re doing it wrong and it’ll cost the Democratic Party". I didn't recognize that it was in AA until I got to the thread.

Second, to me someone posting an "Open Letter" is inviting those people cited (progressives) to read and comment. Maybe I am wrong, maybe I should just read it and agree without comment.

Third, I had no idea that AA wholeheartedly supports what happened in Seattle. Now I know--and I find that very, very disappointing--especially given what we now know about the disruptors.

Fourth, I am not whining. Like I said, if they ban me for responding to that, I wear it as a badge of honor. I want nothing to do with such an uptight, insecure clique.

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Apology to Bravenak [View all] shaayecanaan Aug 2015 OP

Bravenak is a great DUer malaise Aug 2015 #1

She's a smart, strong and passionate woman. I adore her. PeaceNikki Aug 2015 #2

She was alert stalked.Along with other AA posters here. sufrommich Aug 2015 #3

Agreed on the stalking. blackspade Aug 2015 #6

Yes she was and so are a few others....really bullyish behavior nc4bo Aug 2015 #7

Post removed Post removed Aug 2015 #14

i hope the admins take a close look at that shit. mopinko Aug 2015 #49

I hate to point this out nadinbrzezinski Aug 2015 #203

I agree with you, Nadin. Raksha Aug 2015 #280

I agree. Part of why I've made myself unavailable for juries. closeupready Aug 2015 #58

Please reconsider missingthebigdog Aug 2015 #105

Ok, I will do that. closeupready Aug 2015 #152

That's not cool. zappaman Aug 2015 #125

I will think again about it. closeupready Aug 2015 #153

And I do not do juries, or alerts nadinbrzezinski Aug 2015 #205

Agreed Sheepshank Aug 2015 #109

Quit whining. EVERYBODY gets fucked by the jury system. Comrade Grumpy Aug 2015 #162

When people I like go on time out the system is broken Capt. Obvious Aug 2015 #165

Pretty much. Marr Aug 2015 #184

Exactly. It's hilarious to watch. /nt pintobean Aug 2015 #237

It really is Capt. Obvious Aug 2015 #243

Bingo. nt MH1 Aug 2015 #240

Yes. sheshe2 Aug 2015 #183

She is awesome. blackspade Aug 2015 #4

She sounds wonderful. I don't really know her... other than the name. Smarmie Doofus Aug 2015 #5

7 hidden posts in 2 weeks magical thyme Aug 2015 #11

No offense, but she's brought more to DU than you ever have. Codeine Aug 2015 #12

relevent to my post how? (rhetorical question; I'm truly not interested in your answer) magical thyme Aug 2015 #13

That post was not a threat. Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2015 #19

not everybody is familiar with Game of Thrones. I read it as a threat, as I magical thyme Aug 2015 #25

This seems like implied name-calling to me... Lilith Rising Aug 2015 #78

not even close magical thyme Aug 2015 #102

About to find yourself in hot water Lilith Rising Aug 2015 #147

being passionate or angry or upset about something to the point where you are on the brink magical thyme Aug 2015 #151

Everybody is familiar with the Google though Gormy Cuss Aug 2015 #80

A game of thrones reference at the end of the statement yeoman6987 Aug 2015 #148

I consider it my job as a juror to understand the post well enough to assess whether it violates CS Gormy Cuss Aug 2015 #149

I need to be a better juror then yeoman6987 Aug 2015 #155

What a fucking piss poor excuse!* BuelahWitch Aug 2015 #207

Her entire post referenced GoT. Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2015 #211

you imply that the sum total of her DU writings come down to the hides? Sheepshank Aug 2015 #113

You imply there was something wrong with those 7 posts. magical thyme Aug 2015 #124

The poster said they wanted to get to know her better Sheepshank Aug 2015 #163

In your fevered imagination, perhaps. Comrade Grumpy Aug 2015 #168

tuck it away.... Sheepshank Aug 2015 #186

So why doesn't somebody answer that question, because I don't have a good or even fair magical thyme Aug 2015 #188

I can't speak for ALL members of the "Bernie Brigade," Blue_In_AK Aug 2015 #242

Yup, did the same thing for someone in the Bernie group Sheepshank Aug 2015 #276

Geez, "no offense?" cwydro Aug 2015 #30

thank you.. what you say is so true.. the first part anyway. I don't know you but Cha Aug 2015 #51

Yep, more than me, too. This is total BS. n/t prayin4rain Aug 2015 #60

+ infinity. n/t JTFrog Aug 2015 #76

Nailed it. zappaman Aug 2015 #132

Brought more to du than I ever have. NCTraveler Aug 2015 #176

Lol, wow , what a classy thing to say! nt Logical Aug 2015 #190

Doesn't giver her the right to attack and insult people AgingAmerican Aug 2015 #279

4 of them within 15 minutes of each other. Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2015 #17

again, the questioner and anybody else, can read them on her transparency page magical thyme Aug 2015 #21

She spoke truth. It made some white people uncomfortable. Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2015 #23

she spoke *her* truth. magical thyme Aug 2015 #28

There is only one truth. Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2015 #29

I'd think you'd encourage people to read the transparency page magical thyme Aug 2015 #35

This message was self-deleted by its author JTFrog Aug 2015 #79

I definitely recommend that. And I would tell people to keep in mind that AA folks through BLM stevenleser Aug 2015 #82

Same happened to me, cept I wasn't asked to leave, just banned. notadmblnd Aug 2015 #107

+1,000 malaise Aug 2015 #42

You get banned from AA for opposing the clique groupthink. BillZBubb Aug 2015 #83

Yeah, Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2015 #86

Try sticking to the truth sometime. BillZBubb Aug 2015 #89

You realize "the cause" supports Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2015 #97

The fact that you make accusations without knowing the facts... BillZBubb Aug 2015 #108

Facts: Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2015 #111

Apparently you and facts are strangers. BillZBubb Aug 2015 #117

Link to you being asked to leave. Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2015 #122

At this point, it's quadrupling down on dishonesty. zappaman Aug 2015 #135

He's already on another thread... Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2015 #139

+1 sheshe2 Aug 2015 #189

Careful. There is only one truth, and Dr. Hobbitstein knows it. Comrade Grumpy Aug 2015 #169

Cool little bumper-sticker you wrote-- though unsupported by link provided LanternWaste Aug 2015 #202

At least Dr. H. had the links to the actual posts in question for all to see. KittyWampus Aug 2015 #214

We've banned more people in the last TWO DAYS than in the previous FOUR FUCKING YEARS Number23 Aug 2015 #259

And these are the same people Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2015 #272

Those silly people of color get so upset that their fellow POC are being murdered. They should calm stevenleser Aug 2015 #90

What a foolish comment. BillZBubb Aug 2015 #93

No, what is foolish is that it needs to be said. nt stevenleser Aug 2015 #94

No what is foolish is the pathetic generalization. BillZBubb Aug 2015 #95

Which part? That their rhetoric upset folks? Because it clearly did. Or that POC are being murdered? stevenleser Aug 2015 #98

When someone has to hire an ambassador for race relations thats foolish William769 Aug 2015 #115

I'm not sure what you are referring to. BillZBubb Aug 2015 #118

Typical! TM99 Aug 2015 #130

Timing is just so perfect for this. William769 Aug 2015 #131

It was already in the works. TM99 Aug 2015 #140

You keep telling yourself that. William769 Aug 2015 #141

Wtf? zappaman Aug 2015 #142

I modified my selfie-stick. George II Aug 2015 #146

Yup all a game to you TM99 Aug 2015 #143

All the way to the White House! William769 Aug 2015 #145

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service jeff47 Aug 2015 #157

I am not surprised TM99 Aug 2015 #159

How can one be physically violent... bvar22 Aug 2015 #246

Well, if Windows 10 will help you with TM99 Aug 2015 #247

MARISSA BEAT BERNIE UP ???? WHY DIDN'T YOU TELL US ??? kwassa Aug 2015 #250

She shoved him. TM99 Aug 2015 #251

Okaaaaay. A terrible assault has taken place. Hmmmmm. kwassa Aug 2015 #252

So, if a young woman or young man TM99 Aug 2015 #254

Sounds like Bernie isn't strong enough to be President .... kwassa Aug 2015 #255

Post removed Post removed Aug 2015 #258

Cops killed 350 black people in the past year. They also killed 850 non-black people. Comrade Grumpy Aug 2015 #173

Walking into someone else's house and spitting on the rug is bad manners. Take it to GD and GD-P Hekate Aug 2015 #171

Creative, though unsupported allegation... again. LanternWaste Aug 2015 #200

She did have some bullshit hides, based on her opinion rather than how she expressed it. n/t pnwmom Aug 2015 #225

Let's boil those 7 hides down to this - FOUR hides in about a half hour! George II Aug 2015 #41

in which case I'd expect you to encourage people to read the hidden posts magical thyme Aug 2015 #44

Yes indeed, you can she how see was STALKED. In close proximity. Because she had the NERVE KittyWampus Aug 2015 #52

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2015 #61

That's what the alert police thought because they couldn't handle what she had to say. Cha Aug 2015 #73

Who left the door open again? n/t JTFrog Aug 2015 #85

I wish they'd leave the names up. I'm always curious to know who the troll was. Hekate Aug 2015 #244

One alert was terrible and the alerter was more abusive than the post Bravenak posted. Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #63

I think the posts in question and the timeline make it clear she was alert-stalked. Chan790 Aug 2015 #65

your one hide may have more to do with visibility than content magical thyme Aug 2015 #138

I read most of her posts when she made them and the rest just now. tblue37 Aug 2015 #106

All but one of them 4-3 hides. KamaAina Aug 2015 #208

Her voice is missed tammywammy Aug 2015 #8

We need to listen and learn from our AA members, not alert stalk them octoberlib Aug 2015 #9

I don't always agree with her Codeine Aug 2015 #10

+1 Gormy Cuss Aug 2015 #45

And now she's dead Shankapotomus Aug 2015 #15

It looks like westboro baptist church showed up to protest her funeral... George II Aug 2015 #84

I was gonna use that WBC line in an earlier post. Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2015 #88

I actually don't even know Bravneks Shankapotomus Aug 2015 #91

"GOD HATES BRAVENAKS!" "Seven hides all sinful!! Shame shame shame!!" Cha Aug 2015 #241

She made some people uncomfortable brer cat Aug 2015 #16

Agreed - Bravenak makes DU a better place, and I wish her speedy return GeoWilliam750 Aug 2015 #18

+10000 sheshe2 Aug 2015 #193

Bravenak is awesome! n/t prayin4rain Aug 2015 #20

Bravenak is a great member of DU and I am sorry that she is in time out Gothmog Aug 2015 #22

This is what DU has become. onehandle Aug 2015 #24

Don't kid yourself, this is what DU always was. In 2008 it was LGBT people being used as political Bluenorthwest Aug 2015 #274

The treatment of bravenek and others since Saturday has been a remarkable spectacle alcibiades_mystery Aug 2015 #26

Its so sad, Peacetrain Aug 2015 #27

She pulls no punches, and some people seem not to like that Orrex Aug 2015 #31

I was on a jury for a person who was alerted daredtowork Aug 2015 #39

'just look at those white ass crowds' Kingofalldems Aug 2015 #32

That's called speaking truth to power daredtowork Aug 2015 #36

She was angry and frustrated. TBF Aug 2015 #38

So we give her special leeway to post hurtful, rude, or over the top material? BillZBubb Aug 2015 #128

As a white-ass person, I can't imagine getting offended by that phrase. Orrex Aug 2015 #43

thank you! Cha Aug 2015 #70

Many years ago I got into an argument with an employee Orrex Aug 2015 #103

Agree.. everything Black Americans have been through over the centuries... thanks to Cha Aug 2015 #114

This white-ass person agrees with you. greatauntoftriplets Aug 2015 #133

I thought it was hilarious. Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #46

Ugh, glad I missed that. nt msrizzo Aug 2015 #166

Holy Christ on a mother flipping cracker. Holy Shit Number23 Aug 2015 #260

It's why I give zero fucks about a lot of feelings about BLM. Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #262

And I bet a jury left it alone with the old "Debate, don't censor!1" garbage Number23 Aug 2015 #264

That's a single sentence taken out of a longer post. George II Aug 2015 #48

What's objectionable about that? Gormy Cuss Aug 2015 #50

Oh, boo-hoo....give me a break. n/t prayin4rain Aug 2015 #55

Such a well thought out response. Kingofalldems Aug 2015 #101

You're confused about what it means? n/t prayin4rain Aug 2015 #116

Looks like you are calling me a baby. Kingofalldems Aug 2015 #120

Hmph, well, I guess you're right, brevity was the wrong choice in this case. prayin4rain Aug 2015 #136

What are you talking about? Kingofalldems Aug 2015 #182

About the same time that it became ok to ask "what the fuck are you talking about?" Orrex Aug 2015 #187

Touche. Kingofalldems Aug 2015 #192

Haha, perfect. n/t prayin4rain Aug 2015 #201

Except the f word is an expletive, the other a racial slur. Kingofalldems Aug 2015 #215

White ass is a racial slur??? What? n/t prayin4rain Aug 2015 #218

Matter of opinion. In my opinion as well as a DU jury, yes. Kingofalldems Aug 2015 #220

That's a stretch. prayin4rain Aug 2015 #221

In fairness, I *did* make the baby comparison Orrex Aug 2015 #194

Can barely see the forest for all the prayin4rain Aug 2015 #206

Are they or are they not white-ass crowds? Codeine Aug 2015 #57

my white ass thinks it's high time for that fucking discussion. nt msanthrope Aug 2015 #92

Exactly right. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #185

Precisely. nt msanthrope Aug 2015 #197

Seriously? You take that personally? hunter Aug 2015 #99

No, I didn't take it personally. Kingofalldems Aug 2015 #100

Revealing of what, exactly? hunter Aug 2015 #110

The post you linked to really deserves to be hidden. Boudica the Lyoness Aug 2015 #236

If it were white kids getting gunned down senselessly left and right by scared black folks... nomorenomore08 Aug 2015 #268

The apparent lack of diversity among Sanders supporters - while not inherently a negative - nomorenomore08 Aug 2015 #267

This Bernie supporter has no problem with Bravenak TBF Aug 2015 #33

I also feel the same way, I had no problem with her or her posts. Agschmid Aug 2015 #216

Whew...I thought she had been tombstoned at first deutsey Aug 2015 #34

Personally I would not have hidden Mbrow Aug 2015 #37

she made people uncomfortable JI7 Aug 2015 #40

Thank you. nt SusanCalvin Aug 2015 #47

"Do not post bigotry based on someone's race or ethnic origin" canoeist52 Aug 2015 #53

I hope you're also alerting all the vile posts Bernie Sanders supporters are writing KittyWampus Aug 2015 #59

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2015 #66

Those who spewed vitriol are the losers. Cha Aug 2015 #75

Repeatedly labelling Sanders supporters racists is offensive. Marr Aug 2015 #68

And since no one is doing that� your post doesn't seem relevant. KittyWampus Aug 2015 #71

The juries didn't agree with you. /nt Marr Aug 2015 #77

Given what the jury system on DU has become, that's not saying much at all. n/t JTFrog Aug 2015 #112

Bravenak has absolutely labeled DUers as racist mythology Aug 2015 #121

Context is everything. Unless you are white and fragile. KittyWampus Aug 2015 #156

More race-baiting bullshit. And you know what else is bullshit? Comrade Grumpy Aug 2015 #178

The white, fragile folks get time out for losing their shit while posting also, just Zorra Aug 2015 #212

That is a false claim. Orrex Aug 2015 #160

Where's the bigotry in that? Gormy Cuss Aug 2015 #72

OFFS Kali Aug 2015 #74

Good to see someone who gets it. Kingofalldems Aug 2015 #96

She earned her time out. Marr Aug 2015 #54

LOL! KittyWampus Aug 2015 #62

Ah, you edited your post. Marr Aug 2015 #64

I don't know anything about all this really. David__77 Aug 2015 #56

Specifically, this... David__77 Aug 2015 #69

Yes. DU is the place for such confrontation. JTFrog Aug 2015 #119

I understand. David__77 Aug 2015 #161

She was alert trolled and she allowed herself to be drawn into angry, angry responses..... marble falls Aug 2015 #67

Alert trolled is bullshit conspiricy shit! How could you set thst up so.... Logical Aug 2015 #196

If you get alerted enough the laws of averages creep up on you. She allowed herself to be drawn... marble falls Aug 2015 #219

I read her transparency page, and her hides were no worse than mine have been. If you are.... Logical Aug 2015 #233

Some people who are trying to make an impassioned point sometimes make word choices that aikoaiko Aug 2015 #81

No apology is necessary. She is opinionated and passionate which is fine. BillZBubb Aug 2015 #87

That's mighty gracious of you to decline the apology on Bravenak's behalf. Sheldon Cooper Aug 2015 #164

The level of rage is something we can't understand unless we are experiencing what is happening in jalan48 Aug 2015 #104

According to some, she was "race nagging". zappaman Aug 2015 #123

^^this^^ n/t JTFrog Aug 2015 #127

Not some, one. William769 Aug 2015 #129

+1000 Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #154

AMEN!!! etherealtruth Aug 2015 #167

unfuckingbelievable that ugly stuff like that flies here. disappointing. bullshit hides. bettyellen Aug 2015 #174

Yep, it is plain as day for sure... Spazito Aug 2015 #181

The alert stalking in the AA group is reprehensible. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #195

Nailed it. Bobbie Jo Aug 2015 #224

Are all or most of the people in the AA forum black folk? n/t Boudica the Lyoness Aug 2015 #239

I want to wrap this post in a blanket, put it on my knee and give it a cookie Number23 Aug 2015 #261

DU will be worse off without Bravenak William769 Aug 2015 #126

I think the entire jury system is massively flawed--it's *designed* to punish minority opinion. nt Romulox Aug 2015 #134

Do you have a better plan? BillZBubb Aug 2015 #170

DU2 was much better than this. In all respects. Romulox Aug 2015 #175

The old moderation system was better. Gormy Cuss Aug 2015 #231

I disagree. I had very bad experience with that system. BillZBubb Aug 2015 #234

DU was a better place for Beavenak. okasha Aug 2015 #137

bravenak speaks truths that some don't want to hear. greatauntoftriplets Aug 2015 #144

I was not a fan. You have to be able to listen to more points of view than your own. Vinca Aug 2015 #150

Unless your point of view is a deliberately ignored Codeine Aug 2015 #199

The key word in your post is "unpleasant." Vinca Aug 2015 #223

Unpleasant times call for unpleasant measures. That's how it is. nomorenomore08 Aug 2015 #269

Civility seems to be a lost art. Vinca Aug 2015 #271

Civility is a good general principle, but it shouldn't (and can't) be an ironclad law. nomorenomore08 Aug 2015 #278

Dam 7 hides!? Rex Aug 2015 #158

One of the best du has to offer. nt. NCTraveler Aug 2015 #172

She's a great DUer Aerows Aug 2015 #177

Her voice is missed. The alert-stalkers should be ashamed, but they don't know how. nt Hekate Aug 2015 #179

I like Bravenak. H2O Man Aug 2015 #180

Bravenak is a DU treasure. She has taught me so much. myrna minx Aug 2015 #191

K & R SunSeeker Aug 2015 #198

NOOOOOOO!!!!!! KamaAina Aug 2015 #204

I found her to be offputting, obnoxious, argumentative... Shandris Aug 2015 #209

Bravenak is a great person and poster. Her posts were willfully misinterpreted emulatorloo Aug 2015 #210

I love Bravenak. lovemydog Aug 2015 #213

I did send her a PM Warpy Aug 2015 #217

Maybe DU needs a Back Alley group goldent Aug 2015 #222

I read her hidden posts Flying Squirrel Aug 2015 #226

I think she was kinda joking on that one. Turin_C3PO Aug 2015 #227

Ok... Flying Squirrel Aug 2015 #228

I strongly disagree with the banning of NYC_SKP. Turin_C3PO Aug 2015 #229

Game of Thrones. Gormy Cuss Aug 2015 #232

I think DU needs bravenak, and I hope to see her back soon. eom lunamagica Aug 2015 #230

kick... Blue_Tires Aug 2015 #235

She was just too over the top romanic Aug 2015 #238

I think you are too over the top. kwassa Aug 2015 #257

And that one just came back from a timeout of his own. Number23 Aug 2015 #263

I will miss her on here! m-lekktor Aug 2015 #245

Hey Bravenak... You're Ok With Me... Passion And Truth-Telling... WillyT Aug 2015 #248

K&R ismnotwasm Aug 2015 #249

BRAVENAK IS THE BEST!!! kwassa Aug 2015 #253

Agree... does yuiyoshida Aug 2015 #256

+1 nt steve2470 Aug 2015 #265

don't always agree with Bravenak, but I am glad we are on the same side Marrah_G Aug 2015 #266

What an odious fucking bunch of alert-stalking crybabies... nomorenomore08 Aug 2015 #270

I love Bravenak. I relate. She is a person who strives to be an honest broker while also containing Bluenorthwest Aug 2015 #273

Spacedog to the rescue Cosmic Kitten Aug 2015 #275

The same person shouldn't be able to alert on another poster more than once a week. Kurska Aug 2015 #277