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ericson00

(2,707 posts)
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 04:30 PM Aug 2015

The Glass-Steagall Partial-Repeal Did Not Cause the Financial Crisis [View all]

Its always tempting to try to find something easy to blame. It gratifies the human need for quick answers and provides closure. It also makes a person a target.

This is unfortunate because sometimes it ignores complexities, other times its a vehicle for simple hatred, or other times, it is both. A good example of this is about the repeal of Glass-Steagall, which occurred in a veto-proof bill that no President was going to bother to veto and waste political capital on before an election year, especially after one of the most wasteful opposition-executed witch hunts in American history.

I think the truth has been told about this:

Facts such as that Bear Stearns, Lehman Brothers and Merrill Lynch — three institutions at the heart of the crisis — were pure investment banks that had never crossed the old line into commercial banking. The same goes for Goldman Sachs, another favorite villain of the left.

The infamous AIG? An insurance firm. New Century Financial? A real estate investment trust. No Glass-Steagall there.

Two of the biggest banks that went under, Wachovia and Washington Mutual, got into trouble the old-fashioned way – largely by making risky loans to homeowners. Bank of America nearly met the same fate, not because it had bought an investment bank but because it had bought Countrywide Financial, a vanilla-variety mortgage lender.

Meanwhile, J.P. Morgan and Wells Fargo — two large banks with big investment banking arms — resisted taking government capital and arguably could have weathered the crisis without it.


This guy is no conservative Republican here. Same with Andrew Ross Sorkin, of "Too Big To Fail" fame:

Citi’s troubles didn’t come until after Bear Stearns, Lehman Brothers, A.I.G., Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were fallen or teetering — when all hell was breaking loose.

Why do we have financial crises? Why do banks lose money?

If history is any guide, it hasn’t often been the result of speculative bets. It has been the result of banks making loans to individuals and businesses who can’t pay them back.

Yes, standards became so lax that buyers didn’t have to put money down or prove their income, and financial firms developed dangerous instruments that packaged and sliced up loans, then magnified their bets with more borrowed money.

But it often starts with banks making basic loans. Making loans “is one of the riskiest businesses banks engage in and has been a major contributing factor to most financial crises in the world over the last 50 years,” Richard Spillenkothen, former director of the division of banking supervision and regulation at the Federal Reserve, wrote in a letter to Politico’s Morning Money on Monday. He said that if Glass-Steagall still existed, it “alone would not have prevented the financial crisis.”

[The] repeal of Glass-Steagall has not been the key driver of this consolidation, which began long before 1999.


Clearly, people who actually know about business, know the truth. I admire Elizabeth Warren's fanship of the American middle class and worker. But that does not excuse her, or Bernie Sanders, for peddling an easy to swallow myth. While Warren would be a valuable asset political to the Clintons for 2016, she still is simply wrong on this one.

Its sad how many of you on the fringe left like to bash the Clintons. Ever see the right guys attacking Reagan? The Clintons brought our party back from the kind of popular vote record Republicans have had since the Clintons: one for six, us like that from 1968-1988, the GOP 1992-now. Sure, not all of Clinton's policies were perfect, but they sure as hell were much better than Bush Sr., his Prez-in-waiting Dan Quayle, George W. Bush, and Jeb W. Bush (or Donald Trump).

To those who say "why trust business/financial experts" on these matters, why then trust scientists instead of politicians on global warming?
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Even though you are 100% right, shenmue Aug 2015 #1
I await the flames. Someone needs to take the fight to them ericson00 Aug 2015 #3
No kidding. Octafish Aug 2015 #17
They have to post lies like the OP does every few weeks or so. Rex Aug 2015 #67
Pffft.... haikugal Aug 2015 #2
you're posting a point, I'm posting a counterpoint ericson00 Aug 2015 #5
Spin...more spin...I just wanted to help so everyone saw both sides. haikugal Aug 2015 #10
Glass-Stegall was established for a good reason....even if you don't see it that way Stargazer99 Aug 2015 #4
it was not fully repealed, and just because it was "established for good reason" ericson00 Aug 2015 #8
So you are happy that we don't have it artislife Aug 2015 #66
that is a ridiculous argument dsc Aug 2015 #76
Nice deflection! nt artislife Aug 2015 #79
Bankers wrote glass-steagall act BlueStateLib Aug 2015 #29
LOL. Not this again. PSPS Aug 2015 #6
Are you joking? Mortgage derivatives have been around since 1981 ericson00 Aug 2015 #11
Yes Mortgages have been underliners for that long. Springslips Aug 2015 #37
Sorry. Glass Steagall and the Commodities Futures Modernization Act were huge factors. merrily Aug 2015 #7
They always fail to mention CFMA Mnpaul Aug 2015 #38
It's also what made dealing in mortgage derivatives possible. merrily Aug 2015 #59
....! KoKo Aug 2015 #71
It's a myth according to whom? The banks? louis-t Aug 2015 #9
could also blame the banks who didn't run credit checks, or income checks ericson00 Aug 2015 #13
Riiiight, the banks didn't run credit checks... louis-t Aug 2015 #16
You demonstrated what i mean ericson00 Aug 2015 #20
Nothing to do with Glass Steagall? kcr Aug 2015 #32
You are WRONG about 'no credit checks'. louis-t Aug 2015 #73
Good points merrily Aug 2015 #21
Trust financial experts on the economy? Even Greenspan finally said that's a huge mistake merrily Aug 2015 #22
when did Greenspan attack the partial repeal of Glass Steagal? ericson00 Aug 2015 #34
After 2008, that POS suddenly realized that financial markets are not all knowing merrily Aug 2015 #60
Wasn't it those trustworthy bankers who offered those risky loans to people who could not afford jwirr Aug 2015 #26
He quotes Elizabeth Warren in that article that keeping Glass-Steagall would not have prevented 2008 Recursion Aug 2015 #41
It was when combined with derivatives, CDOs and insurance and bank loans of commercial banks. mmonk Aug 2015 #12
Great dilm that proved the old adage hifiguy Aug 2015 #24
A lot of us stupidly defended that liar in the 90's just because the republicans hated him so much tularetom Aug 2015 #14
Wish I could PM you a beer for that post, tom. hifiguy Aug 2015 #27
Thanks, I like beer tularetom Aug 2015 #31
Uh you could be channeling me... ibegurpard Aug 2015 #61
Woohoo....so fraking true....thank you!! haikugal Aug 2015 #77
It fed it a handful of steroids Warpy Aug 2015 #15
... magical thyme Aug 2015 #18
That's what Phil Gramm says! Octafish Aug 2015 #19
Elizabeth Warren also says it Recursion Aug 2015 #42
What does she say about Bill and Phil at UBS? Octafish Aug 2015 #49
I don't know, can you find a quote? (nt) Recursion Aug 2015 #50
Right here. Octafish Aug 2015 #52
Huh... I thought you were asking about her position on Gramm's job at UBS Recursion Aug 2015 #54
Bill Clinton has a job at UBS, too. Octafish Aug 2015 #56
I know she's in favor of re-instating it; I was pointing out that she doesn't think it would have Recursion Aug 2015 #57
Never said it caused the crash. It did allow many of us to lose OUR money in risky investments. jwirr Aug 2015 #23
Wait. That's wrong on several points. Recursion Aug 2015 #51
I suppose that was true of the banks that were purely investment banks but I don't think that was jwirr Aug 2015 #70
One of the cuts in "death by a thousand cuts" Armstead Aug 2015 #25
Sheer sophistry.. sendero Aug 2015 #28
TBTF existed long before the partial Glass-Steagall repeal ericson00 Aug 2015 #39
Rewriting history again, are we? Waiting For Everyman Aug 2015 #30
Sure appears that way! avaistheone1 Aug 2015 #55
Oh please. No one ever said it was ONLY Glass-Steagall. DirkGently Aug 2015 #33
How quickly we forget portlander23 Aug 2015 #35
OP, what do you know? Springslips Aug 2015 #36
Wow GummyBearz Aug 2015 #72
Wow! Springslips Aug 2015 #74
And you're wrong MFrohike Aug 2015 #40
You're half right, and where you're right is important Recursion Aug 2015 #43
Yes and no MFrohike Aug 2015 #44
Oh, I see what you're saying: I agree, the commercial banks screwed the IBs over Recursion Aug 2015 #45
No MFrohike Aug 2015 #46
It probably was dumb luck, or lack of aggression Recursion Aug 2015 #47
Probably MFrohike Aug 2015 #48
Good post. ronnie624 Aug 2015 #58
You need to comment on every bank thread that comes up. Springslips Aug 2015 #75
You are absolutely correct, however I personally do not think it should have been repealed still_one Aug 2015 #53
It contributed to the crisis. Betty Karlson Aug 2015 #62
problem is that people here often do say it CAUSED the crisis ericson00 Aug 2015 #65
The root cause of the crisis is the absence of a global surplus recycling mechanism. Betty Karlson Aug 2015 #68
Of course not! It just forced the public to bail out the perps eridani Aug 2015 #63
Would add some, but you got completely owned in your own thread so Rex Aug 2015 #64
+1 /nt RiverLover Aug 2015 #69
Eeyup. hifiguy Aug 2015 #82
Seems your bumper-sticker wisdom is receiving the relevant amount of disdain it earned. LanternWaste Aug 2015 #78
One post demeaning Sanders Trajan Aug 2015 #80
Clinton is the heavy Democratic favorite, I'm a grassroots fan ericson00 Aug 2015 #81
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