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In reply to the discussion: The Glass-Steagall Partial-Repeal Did Not Cause the Financial Crisis [View all]magical thyme
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The Gramm connection
March 29, 2008 9:04 amMarch 29, 2008 9:04 am
Aha: the Politico notices that Phil Gramm, McCains economic guru, can also be viewed as the father of the financial crisis.
The general co-chairman of John McCains presidential campaign, former Sen. Phil Gramm (R-Texas), led the charge in 1999 to repeal a Depression-era banking regulation law that Democrat Barack Obama claimed on Thursday contributed significantly to todays economic turmoil.
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/29/the-gramm-connection/?_r=0
Repeal of Glass-Steagall Caused the Financial Crisis
In fact, the financial crisis might not have happened at all but for the 1999 repeal of the Glass-Steagall law that separated commercial and investment banking for seven decades. If there is any hope of avoiding another meltdown, it's critical to understand why Glass-Steagall repeal helped to cause the crisis. Without a return to something like Glass-Steagall, another greater catastrophe is just a matter of time....
...Yet, the fact that there were so many parties to blame should not be used to deflect blame from the most responsible parties of allthe big banks. Without the banks providing financing to the mortgage brokers and Wall Street while underwriting their own issues of toxic securities, the entire pyramid scheme would never have got off the ground.
It was Glass-Steagall that prevented the banks from using insured depositories to underwrite private securities and dump them on their own customers. This ability along with financing provided to all the other players was what kept the bubble-machine going for so long.
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/economic-intelligence/2012/08/27/repeal-of-glass-steagall-caused-the-financial-crisis
Sorkins Glass-Steagall straw man
Of course its repeal contributed, directly and indirectly, to the financial crisis
But this column is even more wrongheaded than that. Heres Sorkin (emphasis mine):
But heres the key: Glass-Steagall wouldnt have prevented the last financial crisis. And it probably wouldnt have prevented JPMorgans $2 billion-plus trading loss. The loss occurred on the commercial side of the bank, not at the investment bank.
Thats just not right. The whole purpose of Glass-Steagall, as David Dayen notes, was to prevent commercial banks from engaging in Wall Street-style speculation.
In other words, Glass-Steagall would have prevented JPMorgan from owning Chase, but it would have also prevented Chase from making those bets. We all know now that the bank wasnt hedging its portfolio of loans. It was using its taxpayer-insured deposits to make $100 billion bets for profiton synthetic credit-default-swap indexes no less.
http://www.cjr.org/the_audit/sorkins_glass-steagall_straw_m.php
March 29, 2008 9:04 amMarch 29, 2008 9:04 am
Aha: the Politico notices that Phil Gramm, McCains economic guru, can also be viewed as the father of the financial crisis.
The general co-chairman of John McCains presidential campaign, former Sen. Phil Gramm (R-Texas), led the charge in 1999 to repeal a Depression-era banking regulation law that Democrat Barack Obama claimed on Thursday contributed significantly to todays economic turmoil.
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/29/the-gramm-connection/?_r=0
Repeal of Glass-Steagall Caused the Financial Crisis
In fact, the financial crisis might not have happened at all but for the 1999 repeal of the Glass-Steagall law that separated commercial and investment banking for seven decades. If there is any hope of avoiding another meltdown, it's critical to understand why Glass-Steagall repeal helped to cause the crisis. Without a return to something like Glass-Steagall, another greater catastrophe is just a matter of time....
...Yet, the fact that there were so many parties to blame should not be used to deflect blame from the most responsible parties of allthe big banks. Without the banks providing financing to the mortgage brokers and Wall Street while underwriting their own issues of toxic securities, the entire pyramid scheme would never have got off the ground.
It was Glass-Steagall that prevented the banks from using insured depositories to underwrite private securities and dump them on their own customers. This ability along with financing provided to all the other players was what kept the bubble-machine going for so long.
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/economic-intelligence/2012/08/27/repeal-of-glass-steagall-caused-the-financial-crisis
Sorkins Glass-Steagall straw man
Of course its repeal contributed, directly and indirectly, to the financial crisis
But this column is even more wrongheaded than that. Heres Sorkin (emphasis mine):
But heres the key: Glass-Steagall wouldnt have prevented the last financial crisis. And it probably wouldnt have prevented JPMorgans $2 billion-plus trading loss. The loss occurred on the commercial side of the bank, not at the investment bank.
Thats just not right. The whole purpose of Glass-Steagall, as David Dayen notes, was to prevent commercial banks from engaging in Wall Street-style speculation.
In other words, Glass-Steagall would have prevented JPMorgan from owning Chase, but it would have also prevented Chase from making those bets. We all know now that the bank wasnt hedging its portfolio of loans. It was using its taxpayer-insured deposits to make $100 billion bets for profiton synthetic credit-default-swap indexes no less.
http://www.cjr.org/the_audit/sorkins_glass-steagall_straw_m.php
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The Glass-Steagall Partial-Repeal Did Not Cause the Financial Crisis [View all]
ericson00
Aug 2015
OP
Glass-Stegall was established for a good reason....even if you don't see it that way
Stargazer99
Aug 2015
#4
it was not fully repealed, and just because it was "established for good reason"
ericson00
Aug 2015
#8
Sorry. Glass Steagall and the Commodities Futures Modernization Act were huge factors.
merrily
Aug 2015
#7
Trust financial experts on the economy? Even Greenspan finally said that's a huge mistake
merrily
Aug 2015
#22
After 2008, that POS suddenly realized that financial markets are not all knowing
merrily
Aug 2015
#60
Wasn't it those trustworthy bankers who offered those risky loans to people who could not afford
jwirr
Aug 2015
#26
He quotes Elizabeth Warren in that article that keeping Glass-Steagall would not have prevented 2008
Recursion
Aug 2015
#41
It was when combined with derivatives, CDOs and insurance and bank loans of commercial banks.
mmonk
Aug 2015
#12
A lot of us stupidly defended that liar in the 90's just because the republicans hated him so much
tularetom
Aug 2015
#14
I know she's in favor of re-instating it; I was pointing out that she doesn't think it would have
Recursion
Aug 2015
#57
Never said it caused the crash. It did allow many of us to lose OUR money in risky investments.
jwirr
Aug 2015
#23
I suppose that was true of the banks that were purely investment banks but I don't think that was
jwirr
Aug 2015
#70
Oh, I see what you're saying: I agree, the commercial banks screwed the IBs over
Recursion
Aug 2015
#45
You are absolutely correct, however I personally do not think it should have been repealed
still_one
Aug 2015
#53
The root cause of the crisis is the absence of a global surplus recycling mechanism.
Betty Karlson
Aug 2015
#68
Seems your bumper-sticker wisdom is receiving the relevant amount of disdain it earned.
LanternWaste
Aug 2015
#78