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160. "Good manners" have never ever ever been improtant to me.

Tue Aug 11, 2015, 06:23 PM

Aug 2015

I was raised that way. Best course always is to do whatever is right.

My mom got our family kicked out of Franco's Spain. It was a lovely life in Spain, up until my mom told one of Franco's man exactly what she thought of him. My dad, a much more practical person than my mom, decided later that evening it would be good a time to leave for France. We lived for some time in a French public park, no money, as indigent U.S. Americans, until official France funded us to go away to England, no more their problem. None of us spoke French.

Barclay's Bank eventually weaseled my dad's money out of Spain and we flew back to the U.S.A. by Pan Am a year later.

If someone punches me in the face then it's likely they didn't didn't like what I was saying. If they kiss me, it's likely they did.

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it's really fucking simple [View all] cali Aug 2015 OP

But publicity. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #1

So true, very good point, cali. nt Zorra Aug 2015 #2

thanks. it's about as basic as it gets. a fundamental principle that everyone should agree with. cali Aug 2015 #6

Maybe it's just me but the only ones defending this are this who support the candidate Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #10

it's not just you, but thankfully many Clinton supporter do not think this was ok cali Aug 2015 #11

That I can respect. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #12

Just like their sudden residency in the AA forum. Cynical opportunism. Ed Suspicious Aug 2015 #24

You sound suspicious, Ed. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #28

You might say that. Ed Suspicious Aug 2015 #30

The fact that it is essentially another protected Hillary Clinton safehaven makes me extra suspish. Ed Suspicious Aug 2015 #33

I just got banned from the AA forum. BillZBubb Aug 2015 #36

I also got banned just a few minutes ago. Somebody was talking about how bad the Bernie group is. Ed Suspicious Aug 2015 #37

I'm not a fan of this protected groups thing. Comrade Grumpy Aug 2015 #80

I could not agree more. I hate them. Ed Suspicious Aug 2015 #91

Those that don't have decent argument to support their positions rely on ridicule and banning. rhett o rick Aug 2015 #124

I'm sold...nothing disinfects like sunshine. Moostache Aug 2015 #105

I have to agree with you passiveporcupine Aug 2015 #120

I like the idea of them. Let them have their group hate sessions. If you want to know what they rhett o rick Aug 2015 #126

I am. I like having a place where I can speak my mind or get silly or whatever, without merrily Aug 2015 #137

What are you trying to do? bvar22 Aug 2015 #148

Groups like LGBT, African Americans, awoke_in_2003 Aug 2015 #173

Interesting and ironic. BeanMusical Aug 2015 #88

I was looking for them a year ago when we were trying to keep the Ferguson sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #101

Well, like their idol they suddenly "evolve" when it's convenient. BeanMusical Aug 2015 #182

This artislife Aug 2015 #177

Equality for all aspirant Aug 2015 #3

Yeah, that was the real 'tell' that this was nut-ivism not activism nt geek tragedy Aug 2015 #4

... NuclearDem Aug 2015 #5

OMG-for us Ducks this blasphemy! jalan48 Aug 2015 #21

Now that's just plain creepy to me. zeemike Aug 2015 #34

I like this one better hfojvt Aug 2015 #138

I don't agree with telling anyone SusanCalvin Aug 2015 #7

it was not just a hash tag. it was the name of the action. And it was what they demanded of him. cali Aug 2015 #8

Even leaving my objection aside, SusanCalvin Aug 2015 #13

It called for "bullying". Not good. So where is the Gov. Security on this since he is glinda Aug 2015 #67

One also can't demand to be treated with dignity and respect and give it to one one in return notadmblnd Aug 2015 #9

I'm also not too fond of using "We stand together" NuclearDem Aug 2015 #14

Good point. nt SusanCalvin Aug 2015 #19

More Orwellian than having people demand that someone bow down? haikugal Aug 2015 #35

If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything Babel_17 Aug 2015 #42

Thank You... haikugal Aug 2015 #44

+1 dreamnightwind Aug 2015 #45

How many disruptors must be allowed to speak? ljm2002 Aug 2015 #38

I agree. That is just vile. CharlotteVale Aug 2015 #15

100% ... and thank you for saying what needs to be said. (N/T) Old Crow Aug 2015 #16

thank you. cali Aug 2015 #17

Absolutely. Fucking absolutely. bvf Aug 2015 #18

Yeah Verily cantbeserious Aug 2015 #20

Profoundly ironic indeed Duppers Aug 2015 #22

Love that all inclusive E Bubzer Aug 2015 #167

It will only get worse. punguin54 Aug 2015 #23

yes. nt restorefreedom Aug 2015 #31

K&R & a small sob nt riderinthestorm Aug 2015 #25

I know just what you mean cali Aug 2015 #26

Not to mention fellow DUers. n/t UTUSN Aug 2015 #27

Thank you, cali. n/t onyourleft Aug 2015 #29

k and r restorefreedom Aug 2015 #32

k/r 840high Aug 2015 #39

It's not offensive because Babel_17 Aug 2015 #40

word saladish. cali Aug 2015 #41

Sorry, it was supposed to be ironical Babel_17 Aug 2015 #43

I got it. nm rhett o rick Aug 2015 #127

Thanks! nt Babel_17 Aug 2015 #133

Proud to be rec #100 - eom dreamnightwind Aug 2015 #46

Their hashtag is outrageous. I wish he had stood up to them and asked the event organizers pnwmom Aug 2015 #47

Well daredtowork Aug 2015 #48

Whoever they were, he shouldn't have abandoned the stage and all the people pnwmom Aug 2015 #49

We totally agree on that daredtowork Aug 2015 #50

He didn't open his LA rally w/BLM. His press secretary, newly hired from Ralph Nader's Public MADem Aug 2015 #51

where did you get the info on Symone Sanders working for Nader can you link it up for us? azurnoir Aug 2015 #53

It's the top item in her resume at LINKED IN. MADem Aug 2015 #54

your title line claim was that she worked for Ralph Nader which she did not azurnoir Aug 2015 #58

He founded the joint. It's still recognized as "Ralph Nader's Public Citizen." MADem Aug 2015 #59

Really? Public Citizen's Global Trade Watch disassociated itself with Nader 14 years ago azurnoir Aug 2015 #63

He's still listed as their founder on all their documents, and his "associate" sits on the board. MADem Aug 2015 #64

I do entirely understand your need to associate Symone Sanders with Ralph Nader azurnoir Aug 2015 #65

That's why his name is still on all their documents as founder, and that's why his long-term MADem Aug 2015 #68

maybe because he was the founder but has not had any actual role since 2000 or 2001? azurnoir Aug 2015 #69

His "associate" has maintained an active role. MADem Aug 2015 #70

Do you have any proof that Nader still takes an active role in Public Citizen's Global Trade Watch? azurnoir Aug 2015 #71

He is incapable of "letting go." He is an 81 year old man who doesn't have the MADem Aug 2015 #74

see post #72 I'll link it for you azurnoir Aug 2015 #76

That's nice. I don't think they're inclined to genuflect, but that doesn't mean anything. MADem Aug 2015 #79

They're supposedly still so cozy with Nader but yet don't mention him on their about us page azurnoir Aug 2015 #72

COZY is your word. He still has influence, and he does it through the board. MADem Aug 2015 #90

and a real Dem can never be associated with Ralph Nader in any, however distant, way? Fast Walker 52 Aug 2015 #73

No--YOU'RE the one doing the implying, in post 73, in fact! MADem Aug 2015 #143

I wasn't offended, but you're the one who brought it up over and over Fast Walker 52 Aug 2015 #192

There's nothing wrong with facts. They are not our enemy. MADem Aug 2015 #202

Gosh, you have a lot of patience. artislife Aug 2015 #178

+1 brazillion! beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #198

How sad to have to try to smear Sen Sanders using the Nader name. rhett o rick Aug 2015 #135

Public Citizen was one of the best things Nader ever did. It has a fine reputation, even MADem Aug 2015 #142

Great! We'll go back to talking about Goldwater Girl. jeff47 Aug 2015 #75

He doesn't want to disassociate--there's a difference. MADem Aug 2015 #78

And Goldwater, if he were still alive, would not want to disassociate from Clinton. jeff47 Aug 2015 #81

But Sanders' writings live on--should we bring those up, so long as we're following your absurd MADem Aug 2015 #82

It's your model, not mine. jeff47 Aug 2015 #84

No--it's yours. MADem Aug 2015 #85

Pssst...who started the claim that past associations are forever? jeff47 Aug 2015 #87

Only counts if they are actual associations. A teenager doing what her daddy might like is not MADem Aug 2015 #89

It was an actual association. jeff47 Aug 2015 #98

No -- it wasn't. And repetition isn't going to change that. MADem Aug 2015 #100

I subscribed to The Nation when I was 17. beerandjesus Aug 2015 #144

*chortle nt artislife Aug 2015 #179

Yeah, the difference is one makes a nice cudgel for you, and one does not. /nt Marr Aug 2015 #180

I don't think there are any useful cudgels here. nt MADem Aug 2015 #181

Put Lee Atwater's suit back in the closet. Comrade Grumpy Aug 2015 #83

What a hateful comment. nt MADem Aug 2015 #86

Lol! BeanMusical Aug 2015 #95

And there's another one. nt MADem Aug 2015 #97

In fact... BeanMusical Aug 2015 #102

...and the hits just keep on coming! MADem Aug 2015 #104

"Can't help yourself, can you?" BeanMusical Aug 2015 #108

I've got a little song for you, since you relentlessly follow me around from thread to thread.... MADem Aug 2015 #112

Can you link to all these many many threads where I've been following you around today? BeanMusical Aug 2015 #185

They thought you weren't going to post again, so they figured Marr Aug 2015 #203

Good point. BeanMusical Aug 2015 #208

Not today, but anyone with a mind can look through the archives and see how you follow me around. nt MADem Aug 2015 #209

I love you too. BeanMusical Aug 2015 #210

Disgusting insult. Lisa D Aug 2015 #106

! beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #199

that is a flat out false claim and you know it. he did not fucking abandon these stage. cali Aug 2015 #52

why are you snapping at Bernie supporters like that? daredtowork Aug 2015 #56

pnwmom is NOT a Sanders supporter in any sense.. frylock Aug 2015 #93

+1000 BeanMusical Aug 2015 #103

She isn't? daredtowork Aug 2015 #115

I'm on the fence, daredtowork. But because I have things I like and don't like pnwmom Aug 2015 #119

Thanks for clarifying! daredtowork Aug 2015 #122

I automatically peg you as a Hillary person because you don't post anything critical of her.. frylock Aug 2015 #140

I don't think I need to add to the 90% anti-Hillary posts here. pnwmom Aug 2015 #153

yes, you defend her against unfair attacks by continually misrepresenting PLCAA. frylock Aug 2015 #155

Gun control is the major issue I have a problem with Bernie about, and I don't misrepresent the PLCA pnwmom Aug 2015 #156

Yet you focus your criticism on Sanders alone.. frylock Aug 2015 #157

Blah, blah, blah. I already explained that but you won't listen. Bye! pnwmom Aug 2015 #158

I look forward to your OP on how those mean Sanders supporters drove you to get behind Clinton.. frylock Aug 2015 #170

lol, no kidding. For some reason, there's a whole stable of Marr Aug 2015 #184

LOL! beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #201

where have I "been after you"? funny, seems to me that you've been chiding cali Aug 2015 #130

Your tone has been more attacking than disagreement daredtowork Aug 2015 #134

links please. forget it. sorry, I think this is silly. cali Aug 2015 #145

I'm not sure I understood pwnmom correctly either daredtowork Aug 2015 #190

^^ this nt artislife Aug 2015 #189

^^^THIS^^^ beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #200

I agree with cali. The post was a total misrepresentation. rhett o rick Aug 2015 #163

I have been saying it was Hillary, too daredtowork Aug 2015 #186

Thanks for the post. What I saw and I don't know that I saw it all, but I didn't see anyone rhett o rick Aug 2015 #187

I think both daredtowork Aug 2015 #188

Both things can be true, you know. MADem Aug 2015 #57

The host ended the event BECAUSE Bernie abandoned the stage. pnwmom Aug 2015 #116

I'm relatively certain JackInGreen Aug 2015 #60

Why? If he had given them their 10 minutes and then had them go? Disrupters are removed pnwmom Aug 2015 #121

I agree. He should not have abandoned the stage. hamsterjill Aug 2015 #77

He handled it perfectly. He is far too intelligent a man to GIVE these, we know now, sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #110

+1000 Marr Aug 2015 #205

Good point about not looking at BLM through... blackspade Aug 2015 #55

It would not have looked good for the police to come a drag off the protestors. rhett o rick Aug 2015 #132

So what? It happens all the time. nt pnwmom Aug 2015 #139

Those that need to disparage Sen Sanders would have a field day if the black protestors were beat up rhett o rick Aug 2015 #164

Since when do protesters have to get beaten up? But, yes, they can be removed if necessary. pnwmom Aug 2015 #165

You would've been all over that, and you know it. Marr Aug 2015 #206

Anybody who can think, much less say out loud in public, Waiting For Everyman Aug 2015 #61

+1000 noiretextatique Aug 2015 #96

Her intent was to exercise control of all those "white liberal supremacists" frylock Aug 2015 #141

Yes. It's sickening. MH1 Aug 2015 #161

Simplicity is in the eye of the beholder -- and selective in the beholder, too!1 n/t UTUSN Aug 2015 #62

I think she was a plant. Lunabell Aug 2015 #66

She wasn't. You should listen to the TWiB podcast, and not use religious sites as sources. MADem Aug 2015 #99

Oh, I agree she has valid points Lunabell Aug 2015 #117

I think she's mad as hell and she's not going to take it anymore. MADem Aug 2015 #123

From a teabagger to BLM? Lunabell Aug 2015 #125

Listen to that TWiB podcast again. All is revealed. LISTEN. HEAR. She explains all. MADem Aug 2015 #128

Kick and R BeanMusical Aug 2015 #92

Demand, no. Bowing in customary settings I don't have a problem with. We better both be bowing. Rex Aug 2015 #94

You debase yourself when you use Vulgarism! lewebley3 Aug 2015 #107

You really must have hated George Carlin. BeanMusical Aug 2015 #109

Carlin had his moments, but I didn't think much of him: He was a heckler! lewebley3 Aug 2015 #168

way to miss the boat. no using that honest old Anglo-Saxon word cali Aug 2015 #113

You know it does that is why you used it! lewebley3 Aug 2015 #166

Cannot K&R this enough! Bubzer Aug 2015 #111

thanks, bubzer. I really love that so many of you get it,not because I said it cali Aug 2015 #114

Someone needs to read about slavery and bowing down. Farmbrook Aug 2015 #118

The passion thing HassleCat Aug 2015 #129

if you posted this as an op, you'd be vilified. sad cali Aug 2015 #131

That's OK HassleCat Aug 2015 #136

You make an important point. And some use their passion for an issue to justify bad behavior. rhett o rick Aug 2015 #162

It's really not that important either. hunter Aug 2015 #146

to you. it's bedrock principle to me. cali Aug 2015 #152

"Good manners" have never ever ever been improtant to me. hunter Aug 2015 #160

Does this apply to Muslim Extremists? Quantess Aug 2015 #147

yes. it applies to the worst murderer. it applies to every human on the planet cali Aug 2015 #150

It was rude. Absolutely. But when has being polite worked for us? Glassunion Aug 2015 #149

it has nothing to do with manners. cali Aug 2015 #151

It does have everything to do with being heard by those who refuse to listen. Glassunion Aug 2015 #154

Bernie is far from being someone who hasn't listened. cali Aug 2015 #195

How many disruptions did it take before it led to Bernie's explicit platform on racial justice? Glassunion Aug 2015 #197

Can't argue ShrimpPoboy Aug 2015 #159

Have you considered being rude to Obama? RichVRichV Aug 2015 #169

Many of the same people who are applauding this were villifying Code Pink Marr Aug 2015 #172

Yep. This is all about whose ox is gored. stranger81 Aug 2015 #176

If the opportunity presents itself Glassunion Aug 2015 #191

it's neither 'fucking' nor simple reorg Aug 2015 #171

The idiot's hashtag says otherwise. hifiguy Aug 2015 #174

No it doesn't reorg Aug 2015 #175

per the protest organizer that was the name of the action. YOU don't get to make shit up. cali Aug 2015 #194

no, it wasn't - which you would know reorg Aug 2015 #196

I'm stealing this from you because this is exactly what giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #207

Finding it very interesting whose avoiding this thread cali riderinthestorm Aug 2015 #183

I get now that some people don't agree with my sentiments, though I confess cali Aug 2015 #193

I say: arrest; but verify. Smarmie Doofus Aug 2015 #204

What exactly does making a "deal" with them, and giving into them look like? Glassunion Aug 2015 #211