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In reply to the discussion: The Glass-Steagall Partial-Repeal Did Not Cause the Financial Crisis [View all]DirkGently
(12,151 posts)33. Oh please. No one ever said it was ONLY Glass-Steagall.
That's a straw man argument. It's not the point either Warren or Sanders are making. No one has said Glass-Steagall was the primary cause of the market bubble and the collapse. But it wasn't irrelevant either. The primary cause was widespread de-regulation and consolidation, combined with the utter lack of concern on the part of the financial houses as to what would happen when they inflated yet another speculative bubble and allowed it to explode all over the world's economy.
This is rather silly:
It has been the result of banks making loans to individuals and businesses who cant pay them back.
Talk about half-truths and peddling myths. The gigantic, world-destroying market bubble didn't happen because people just suddenly couldn't remember how to pay off loans. The banks and financial houses, free of regulation and oversight after decades of whining that the bad old government was holding them back, and with full confidence the American taxpayers would bail their sorry behinds out when they blew it, CREATED THEIR OWN MYTHS, deciding that "real estate prices never go down everywhere at once" and that therefore any mortgage, good, bad, or otherwise, could be chopped up and sold as a highly-rated mortgage-backed security.
The lenders had ZERO CONCERN as to the quality of the loans, and yet they were the ones in the best position to ensure the loans they were making weren't imaginary.
When even the crappy loans ran thin, JP Morgan Chase sent around its infamous "Zippy Cheats & Tricks" memo, helpfully advising its underwriters as to how to circumvent Chase's own underwriting software by falsifying personal income until the loan got through.
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The result of all this deliberate self-deceit was that real estate prices skyrocketed. Anyone could get any loan, for any amount, because the lenders ceased caring about anything but shoving them out the door. The result was that even the most careful, considerate home borrowers imaginable were presented with a market based entirely on the theory that prices would continue to go up and up and up. People making far too little to afford a given property were being given gigantic loans and told they could re-finance, so who cares?
Borrowers weren't in a position to tell people making $20k a year they couldn't afford a $400,000 house. The lenders created the reality for everyone, and then took the profits and left, billing tax payers for whatever damage they did to themselves in the process.
It's a bit rich for the lenders to be blaming the borrowers they lured and snookered and lied to and about for the disaster they foisted on everyone.
A hedge-fund manager, writing on Forbes:
It was Glass-Steagall that prevented the banks from using insured depositories to underwrite private securities and dump them on their own customers. This ability along with financing provided to all the other players was what kept the bubble-machine going for so long.
Now, when memories are fresh, is the time to reinstate Glass-Steagall to prevent a third cycle of fraud on customers. Without the separation of banking and underwriting, it's just a matter of time before banks repeat their well-honed practice of originating garbage loans and stuffing them down customers' throats. Congress had the answer in 1933. Congress lost its way in 1999. Now is the chance to get back to the garden.
Now, when memories are fresh, is the time to reinstate Glass-Steagall to prevent a third cycle of fraud on customers. Without the separation of banking and underwriting, it's just a matter of time before banks repeat their well-honed practice of originating garbage loans and stuffing them down customers' throats. Congress had the answer in 1933. Congress lost its way in 1999. Now is the chance to get back to the garden.
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/economic-intelligence/2012/08/27/repeal-of-glass-steagall-caused-the-financial-crisis
The Washington Post allowing that the repeal was not "the proxmimate cause" but was a factor:
The repeal of Glass-Steagall in 1999 was part of a broad deregulatory push, championed by the likes of Fed chief Alan Greenspan, Sen. Phil Gramm (R-Tex.) and Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin, that eliminated much of the oversight on Wall Street. Freed from onerous regulation, the banks could innovate and grow.
● After the repeal, banks merged into more complex and more leveraged institutions.
● These banks, which were customers of nonbank firms such as AIG, Bear Stearns and Lehman Brothers, in turn contributed to these firms bulking up their subprime holdings as well. This turned out to be speculative and dangerous.
● After the repeal, banks merged into more complex and more leveraged institutions.
● These banks, which were customers of nonbank firms such as AIG, Bear Stearns and Lehman Brothers, in turn contributed to these firms bulking up their subprime holdings as well. This turned out to be speculative and dangerous.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/repeal-of-glass-steagall-not-a-cause-but-a-multiplier/2012/08/02/gJQAuvvRXX_story.html
There is nothing even remotely "fringe left" about the rather unassailable observation that BANKING DE-REGULATION CAUSED THE MARKET CRASH. Glass-Steagall, the failure to regulate derivatives, giant mergers, and on and on and on.
No one in the world honestly thinks it was just some kind of $4 trillion fluke of irresponsible borrowers, descending on the poor banks and forcing them to create a gajillion bad loans and selling them as B-rated securities when everyone knew they weren't. That is not a thing that "business and financial experts" think. It is a really weak lie they tell, because they want to go and on, sucking the country dry with one greedy scheme after the other, because so far, no one has stopped them.
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The Glass-Steagall Partial-Repeal Did Not Cause the Financial Crisis [View all]
ericson00
Aug 2015
OP
Glass-Stegall was established for a good reason....even if you don't see it that way
Stargazer99
Aug 2015
#4
it was not fully repealed, and just because it was "established for good reason"
ericson00
Aug 2015
#8
Sorry. Glass Steagall and the Commodities Futures Modernization Act were huge factors.
merrily
Aug 2015
#7
Trust financial experts on the economy? Even Greenspan finally said that's a huge mistake
merrily
Aug 2015
#22
After 2008, that POS suddenly realized that financial markets are not all knowing
merrily
Aug 2015
#60
Wasn't it those trustworthy bankers who offered those risky loans to people who could not afford
jwirr
Aug 2015
#26
He quotes Elizabeth Warren in that article that keeping Glass-Steagall would not have prevented 2008
Recursion
Aug 2015
#41
It was when combined with derivatives, CDOs and insurance and bank loans of commercial banks.
mmonk
Aug 2015
#12
A lot of us stupidly defended that liar in the 90's just because the republicans hated him so much
tularetom
Aug 2015
#14
I know she's in favor of re-instating it; I was pointing out that she doesn't think it would have
Recursion
Aug 2015
#57
Never said it caused the crash. It did allow many of us to lose OUR money in risky investments.
jwirr
Aug 2015
#23
I suppose that was true of the banks that were purely investment banks but I don't think that was
jwirr
Aug 2015
#70
Oh, I see what you're saying: I agree, the commercial banks screwed the IBs over
Recursion
Aug 2015
#45
You are absolutely correct, however I personally do not think it should have been repealed
still_one
Aug 2015
#53
The root cause of the crisis is the absence of a global surplus recycling mechanism.
Betty Karlson
Aug 2015
#68
Seems your bumper-sticker wisdom is receiving the relevant amount of disdain it earned.
LanternWaste
Aug 2015
#78