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Dragonfli

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25. I appreciate your position, most of us "purists" (that is a rather poor term to use by the way)
Sat May 19, 2012, 10:24 PM
May 2012

Are well aware of the bad place we are in, our response (I can not speak for everyone, but by many separate admissions) is that we will vote for the lesser of two evils.

Manny spoke well for my position and perhaps others labeled incorrectly as purists, (the correct term is Democrats that follow Democratic ideas rather than 90's Republican ones, or adopted Bush war crime ones).
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=699596

We have been voting for them for years now but are beginning to realize that they will go further right, further evil, every year because they know we will vote for them anyway and there is campaign cash in doing the wrong thing.

At what point must they earn the votes of Democrats by being Democrats? That is what we want to know now.
It was easier before when it was only about our politicians adopting GOP money policies (Friedman/Chicago school), that was hold your nose time and the harm to the poor began to hurt, now it has gotten to the point where Democrats directly harm us in ways that only Republicans once did and we are supposed to support it.

When Torture, detention without any rights at all, taking from the elderly and giving to the rich (Simpson/Bowles) becomes our platform, the lesser evil becomes a vote to actively harm others with a not so lesser evil.

It will soon be time to stop being a part and party to hurting people.
It will soon be time to revolt against the lot of them that would harm the non-rich citizens or outright kill them if they are brown.

If they don't stop moving so far right, they will only appeal to righties, how soon that happens depends on the inflation of the dime that is the difference.

We want what they campaign on, we want what they promise and put into the platform, we do not want Republican laws passed by "New Democrats".

You realize this will be the last cycle of faith without works before we will expect our votes to be earned, at least for those that do not believe in Republican ideas.

Some "Democrats" have come from the Republican party purges and they like this new direction, those will be the votes that they can count on in future. The policy they put forth will attract such Republicans and turn away Democrats, perhaps that is the long term plan, I simply don't know anymore.

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RT: Congress still okay with indefinite detention and torture of Americans Fire Walk With Me May 2012 #1
That's why we need to elect liberals to Congress. Zalatix May 2012 #5
That's why the masses of this country need to stand up and scream "NO!" Fire Walk With Me May 2012 #7
I would make opposition to indefinite detention one of the 2016 litmus tests. Zalatix May 2012 #10
They're planning on flying drones NOW. They're using HR347 in Chicago NOW. Fire Walk With Me May 2012 #12
Are you saying Obama shouldn't be re-elected?...nt SidDithers May 2012 #13
No I didn't say that. Not just no, but hell no. Zalatix May 2012 #15
Question wasn't to you...nt SidDithers May 2012 #16
except, as Hedges said, even Sanders voted for it. bbgrunt May 2012 #20
RT. LOL...nt SidDithers May 2012 #8
The government has 60 days to appeal the decision, so the cheering is a bit early. Also, sad sally May 2012 #2
Well said... liberty is a global thing, not just an American thing. Zalatix May 2012 #11
Unless the candidate is purer than Jesus -supposedly- was... randome May 2012 #3
The what now? Having read your posts I think you "got it" a long time ago. great white snark May 2012 #4
What now? I don't know, really. Zalatix May 2012 #9
I appreciate your position, most of us "purists" (that is a rather poor term to use by the way) Dragonfli May 2012 #25
Yes, it's the Rightward creep that bugs me deep down. Zalatix May 2012 #26
You are what old guys like me used to call reasonable pragmatists. Dragonfli May 2012 #29
Maybe I'm naive, but cthulu2016 May 2012 #6
Voting for the Lesser or two evils is no longer working.. lib2DaBone May 2012 #14
"...to destroy Social Security..." ? randome May 2012 #17
Good question. I wouldn't call Pres. Obama a "wolf in sheep's clothing" Zalatix May 2012 #19
"indefinite detention section has been thrown out by a Federal judge" kenny blankenship May 2012 #18
The price of freedom is eternal vigilance. Zalatix May 2012 #21
There are NO Democrats sick of President Obama NoPasaran May 2012 #22
Is that so? Every Democrat agrees with NDAA? Chicago school of economics? Dragonfli May 2012 #28
And let me add that the weight of Liberalism and Progressivism rests on Obama's shoulders. FarLeftFist May 2012 #23
"will be decades until another one is nominated." marmar May 2012 #27
Yeah but everyone else IS under that illusion. So if he fails we'll have nothing but centrists for FarLeftFist May 2012 #30
The rule of law is the result of compromise. AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #24
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