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64. There is a lesson for protesters to take from this

Wed Aug 12, 2015, 12:13 PM

Aug 2015

Learn the law.

Learn to walk right up to the edge while clearly not crossing it.

Have your group surrounding you disciplined enough to do the same.

I don't like one single thing about these guys- but they are good at what they are doing and people should learn from that. They have researched and know the laws, and are making a scene and getting loads of publicity while not actually risking arrest.

It's effective. Everybody is talking about it.

They have achieved arguably more publicity and impact than the protestors who blocked the interstate, without risking arrests or giving police a legal reason to act against them.

Hate them- but learn from the methods they use.

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In Ferguson - Guess Who Gets Arrested? [View all] kpete Aug 2015 OP

Thank you, RKBAers. And, thank you, NRA. (nt) stone space Aug 2015 #1

How is it the fault of the RKBA that an unarmed child was arrested? Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #3

It is the fault of RKBAers and the NRA that the armed terrorists are allowed to terrorize... stone space Aug 2015 #4

The only ones terrorizing the black community are the police. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #6

Your Rights Trump Black Lives. (nt) stone space Aug 2015 #7

Now you're just bleating. The RKBA is a universal right. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #8

Your Rights Trump Black Lives stone space Aug 2015 #9

The RKBA protects. Racist gun laws enforced by racists are killing blacks. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #10

#BLACKLIVESMATTER (nt) stone space Aug 2015 #11

Then you should stop supporting racist gun laws enforced by racists. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #12

Your rights trump black lives. (nt) Paladin Aug 2015 #37

My RKBA cannot trump anyone because the RKBA is universal. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #40

"My right trumps your dead." Aaron Weiss, 2013 Paladin Aug 2015 #52

"Your side fucking owns that ugly quote" Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #67

You lose. (nt) Paladin Aug 2015 #104

No, you! (nt) Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #105

Not a "universal" right, RoccoR5955 Aug 2015 #29

That' like saying the presence of slavery negates the universal right to freedom. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #33

No but when a majority of countries RoccoR5955 Aug 2015 #45

Argumentum ad populum Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #47

There is no sense trying to convey logic RoccoR5955 Aug 2015 #68

"There is no sense trying to convey logic" Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #72

Like I said RoccoR5955 Aug 2015 #76

Why do you bring that shit to this thread? stone space Aug 2015 #146

Not seeing anyone who looks intimidated. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #147

Why are you supporting these assholes? stone space Aug 2015 #149

"Shouldn't they be arrested and have their guns confiscated?" Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #151

In theory. Not in reality. We live in reality, try dealing with that. -eom gcomeau Aug 2015 #51

So because 1 group is deprived of a right that justifies universal deprivation? Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #59

No... gcomeau Aug 2015 #99

"I happen the think the 2nd is absolutely obsolete" Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #100

They can disagree all they want. gcomeau Aug 2015 #103

"Presenting an argument backing their disagreement would be a nice touch though." Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #109

Ahem... gcomeau Aug 2015 #110

"Bull shit I am, unless you can present an argument that self defense is only possible using a gun?" Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #111

Oh really? gcomeau Aug 2015 #112

"So you're saying that guns are more effective at killing" Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #114

Sigh... gcomeau Aug 2015 #116

VPC is another "lies, damned lies and Controller propaganda" hack organization Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #130

Sigh again... gcomeau Aug 2015 #170

"don't report how many times they did so *unnecessarily*, terrorizing innocent people" Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #174

Yeah... gcomeau Aug 2015 #176

So you just disingenuously assume all firearms uses are bad. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #178

Please learn English if we are going to have a productive discussion. gcomeau Aug 2015 #182

I never claimed Japan had higher violent crime and I told you as much the first time you tried that. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #183

Sheesh... gcomeau Aug 2015 #187

"Nobody said you didn't. Just argued that for this one particular right you *shouldn't*." Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #189

No? AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #113

No. gcomeau Aug 2015 #115

You seem to have missed the evolution in printing technology between AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #128

No, I really didn't. gcomeau Aug 2015 #169

Modern weapons aren't really more deadly. AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #173

That almost sent me out of my chair laughing. gcomeau Aug 2015 #177

You are confused. AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #179

One of us is. gcomeau Aug 2015 #181

That's ridiculous and you know it. AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #185

Which Supreme Court Justices are you calling on here for support? stone space Aug 2015 #150

All nine at the time. Majority and dissenting. AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #152

Virtually no federal govt. regulation of the militia before the 1890s. NT 1939 Aug 2015 #121

You're off by 100 years or so... gcomeau Aug 2015 #171

CORRECTION: RKBA is not a universal right; it is a US right. Kip Humphrey Aug 2015 #58

RKBA is NOT a "universal right". It is MERELY a unique American philosophy, not a "right" at all. Turn CO Blue Aug 2015 #101

RKBA is a universal right? blackspade Aug 2015 #31

So pass a law and rights go "POOF!"? Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #35

So, what the fuck are they doing there? blackspade Aug 2015 #42

"The RKBA is unequally applied both for minorities and non-firearms." Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #46

Could I have some ranch with your word salad? blackspade Aug 2015 #55

The only one being terrorized is your imagination. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #60

In the mind set of right now... BrainDrain Aug 2015 #69

Terrorism is a crime uponit7771 Aug 2015 #124

^^ THIS ^^ jonno99 Aug 2015 #106

Innocent people don't terrorize others uponit7771 Aug 2015 #125

delete uponit7771 Aug 2015 #122

This is false on its face, but go ahead and imagine a group of openly racist black men with guns... uponit7771 Aug 2015 #123

Then you are wrong on your face because the Huey P Newton Gun Club made its march in TX. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #131

The gun club has NO OPENLY RACIST agenda at all like the SPLC says the Oath Keepers does so uponit7771 Aug 2015 #132

No one ever came close to saying the HPNGC had racist intent. Stop making up nonsense. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #137

You brought up HPNGC not me, I said imagine openly racist blacks walking through a.. uponit7771 Aug 2015 #140

How can the defining variable be the presence or absence of racist intent when gauging if Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #141

SPLC Defined the Oath Keepers as an extremist group, HPNGC was never defined as a extremist group uponit7771 Aug 2015 #163

The SPLC is not a court of law. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #164

2A itself is not racist just the way it's implemented in America, it's not even handed ONE BIT... uponit7771 Aug 2015 #165

The 4A isn't applied evenly across the races either, i.e. Stop & Frisk which, coincidentally Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #166

How bout they leave just based on their own words? Reading them they sound like kooks... uponit7771 Aug 2015 #167

What words would those be? Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #168

Well... maybe there deeds... like the Bundy ranch these guys are going to leave Oregon too cause uponit7771 Aug 2015 #175

If you are familiar with BrainDrain Aug 2015 #161

SLPC designated Oath Keepers as openly extremis, not the HPNGC... I'm talking about the people today uponit7771 Aug 2015 #162

There are strawman arguments... BrainDrain Aug 2015 #191

I can read the words the SPLC wrote...no need for super powers uponit7771 Aug 2015 #192

So you again answer none of my questions. blackspade Aug 2015 #144

A) Maybe they're there because they think militarized police are an affront to civil society Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #154

Weak sauce. blackspade Aug 2015 #157

Typical. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #158

Makes the Trayvon Martin case so notable. 1939 Aug 2015 #126

For the last question its been nearly the same as whites in their neighborhood, for the first blacks uponit7771 Aug 2015 #133

There's a made up word "hoplophobia" that RKBAers commonly use. stone space Aug 2015 #148

From Wikipedia Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #159

Dude. Seriously? Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #160

Syntax uponit7771 Aug 2015 #120

If you're not in Ferguson, you have no right to say who or what is terrorizing the citizens there. dgibby Aug 2015 #71

Are you in Ferguson? Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #73

No, which is why dgibby Aug 2015 #79

The self-described "oath keepers" are terrorists allowed to roam in that community. pnwmom Aug 2015 #134

From the pics posted around DU the protesters don't look intimidated. The cops seem to be Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #139

What do you think would happen if Black protesters walked around like that? sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #78

The Huey P Newton Gun Club already has. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #88

Good points, regarding rights. So to me then it seems, this needs to be tested sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #91

That is why the people are the first, last and best guarantors of their rights and liberty. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #93

True but for that to happen, people have to be united. So why is the NRA not out there sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #94

The NRA advocated for Shaneen Allen. Sheriff David Clarke was profiled in their magazine. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #96

Well, here's what I see. I see groups like the NRA arguing that Americans have the right sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #97

I've never seen the Sierra Club support #BLM either. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #98

Exception and not the rule, RayGun Defined the rule... uponit7771 Aug 2015 #118

Crickets. dgibby Aug 2015 #89

RKBA'ers are part of the problem awoke_in_2003 Aug 2015 #102

And yet it is the POLICE that hand-cuffed the girl. So who is the greater danger here? nt jonno99 Aug 2015 #107

The racists Oathkeeper's are little awoke_in_2003 Aug 2015 #129

that picture of the little girl is both enraging and heart breaking. cali Aug 2015 #2

Police are claiming... TeeYiYi Aug 2015 #48

"I don't have a perspective" says the 'oath-keeper! elias49 Aug 2015 #5

He also doesn't have a clue mythology Aug 2015 #22

the line: "I don't have a perspective" demwing Aug 2015 #36

"But I got me a GUN, a big, manly GUN-for-brains - it speaks for me".....terrorists doing their work. Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #82

If he doesn't have perspective, what the fuck is he doing there? onecaliberal Aug 2015 #135

Open carry is legal in Missouri Travis_0004 Aug 2015 #13

The Terrorists should be arrested, jailed, and their guns confiscated for life. stone space Aug 2015 #18

That doesn't change the fact SusanCalvin Aug 2015 #25

The Huey P Newton Gun Club showed that blacks can protest armed and remain unmolested. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #43

I disagree. AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #53

Well, I'd call having the very law changed SusanCalvin Aug 2015 #65

I'm sure heavily armed Black Panthers will be allowed to patrol white neighborhoods as well. jalan48 Aug 2015 #14

^^^this^^^ L0oniX Aug 2015 #26

The answer, of course, is to apply the law equally to all....... WillowTree Aug 2015 #30

Perfect. dgibby Aug 2015 #74

... they will, WITH incident though. uponit7771 Aug 2015 #119

I would so love to see that. nt SusanCalvin Aug 2015 #156

They did, yesterday Travis_0004 Aug 2015 #188

The sharp end of the stick of national white privilege is a an all-white privileged policing authority. Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #15

I agree. jalan48 Aug 2015 #16

Exactly and the Native Americans have been treated like this wherever there is money to be made. jwirr Aug 2015 #38

+1 freshwest Aug 2015 #92

I'm watching a report by Andrea Mitchell dgibby Aug 2015 #77

What I like to call "shallow coverage" long after the fact and when the propagandists finally are Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #80

None that I've seen. dgibby Aug 2015 #84

Blacks will have no choice in today's America, JEB Aug 2015 #17

Nauseating JackInGreen Aug 2015 #19

Time for Ferguson residents to exercise their 2nd Amendment rights. muntrv Aug 2015 #20

Looking for a bloodbath? Might be fun to sit back and watch, huh? (nt) stone space Aug 2015 #21

And there will be a bloodbathe. Look at history: Black Panthers. All it takes is to convince white jwirr Aug 2015 #44

History suggests you are wrong. AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #56

"Forward, he cried, from the rear, and the front rank died" stone space Aug 2015 #142

Don't need to tell me who that is. AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #143

Your Gun Worship is a filthy religion. Stop trying to impose it on people. (nt) stone space Aug 2015 #145

Stop making shit up. AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #153

In an African-American neighborhood no less malaise Aug 2015 #23

Message: Black is bad, white is right. Fuck the pigs and their KKK Oath fucking guards. L0oniX Aug 2015 #24

Message: The Oathkeepers and the cops look alike csziggy Aug 2015 #90

Oath keepers my ass. blackspade Aug 2015 #27

I've been told the police PatrynXX Aug 2015 #28

Missouri needs the law NC has- Armed at the terror of the public Lee-Lee Aug 2015 #41

+100000000. That makes a lot of sense. Thanks for bringing it up. n/t Hoyt Aug 2015 #49

If my memory is correct from BLET the law was passed to target the Klan Lee-Lee Aug 2015 #54

That would definitely fit these Oath Keeper yahoos, and the Border Klan. Hoyt Aug 2015 #61

It would indeed. I made a few arrests for it Lee-Lee Aug 2015 #62

The police found reason to arrest two journalists typing on their laptops in McDonald's. pnwmom Aug 2015 #136

The blue line is thick enough that it covers far right terrorist groups too Taitertots Aug 2015 #32

WHAT A FUCKED UP COUNTRY! Enthusiast Aug 2015 #34

We can thank Infowars and Alex Jones for this one. Initech Aug 2015 #184

I wish Obama would hurry up and put all these gun humpers into an old Walmart somewhere. Enthusiast Aug 2015 #186

Or I think we should use George Carlin's state prison farm idea. Initech Aug 2015 #190

Spare us the RKBA justifications, Gun Enthusiasts. Paladin Aug 2015 #39

Much of the terror inflicted upon black folk and most of white America as well is related to loving the Gun Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #50

Amen brother! Moostache Aug 2015 #86

Wonder what reaction would be to the Huey P Newton Gun Club? gordianot Aug 2015 #57

Human filth. That's what these cops and oathkeepers are. Human filth. nt valerief Aug 2015 #63

There is a lesson for protesters to take from this Lee-Lee Aug 2015 #64

are you saying that kpete Aug 2015 #66

No, I'm not saying that at all Lee-Lee Aug 2015 #70

"I don't know what she did or didn't do or why they arrested her." Do you care to find out? Rex Aug 2015 #75

I don't have a magic cop hotline I can call and ask Lee-Lee Aug 2015 #83

You must have not been a cop for very long, you don't seem to know many cops. Rex Aug 2015 #180

You mean if there is a White Only water fountain law..do not push it, just hang around the fountain? Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #85

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say you must live in a very white area. Marr Aug 2015 #138

Wow. Seriously? OK, black folk. Here's the plan. Dark n Stormy Knight Aug 2015 #155

OathKeepers are anti-American racist assholes. And they're stupid too. nt TeamPooka Aug 2015 #81

Well it seems we have a few options sarisataka Aug 2015 #87

It does appear people with firearms have more rights... gordianot Aug 2015 #95

US is turning into a large, heavily armed Third World republic. Like Colombia, only more racist leveymg Aug 2015 #108

THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ECONOMICS!!! uponit7771 Aug 2015 #117

Why are these idiots there?!? onecaliberal Aug 2015 #127

Rude Pundit, 8/12/2015: Gun nuts vs. Oath Keepers Paladin Aug 2015 #172