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jmowreader

(53,018 posts)
30. Precisely
Sat May 19, 2012, 09:42 PM
May 2012

It gets better: the huge financial services reform bill that was SUPPOSED to rein in the derivatives market still lets them do outrageous crap.

Let me tell you the best part: You know about the Goldman Sachs scandal, where John Paulson set up a billion-dollar bet against the housing market? Not only was what he did legal when he did it, it's still legal.

How the Goldman Sachs scandal worked: Goldman Sachs hired John Paulson, who has made billions of dollars as a short-seller, to make them a shitload of money. Paulson identified a billion dollars' worth of mortgages that he thought were going to default, and bought "naked credit default swaps" against them. A credit default swap is a bit like an insurance policy written against a credit account. It's only a bit like an insurance policy because the person who buys the CDS doesn't have to own what it's written against, and the person selling it doesn't have to own the money necessary to pay the buyer if the casualty being covered (the default of the underlying credit account) happens. After Paulson got the naked CDS, he then wrote bonds called "synthetic collateralized debt obligations" against them. A non-synthetic CDO is written against a basket of anything you want--you could bundle thirty mortgage-backed securities, fifteen credit card receivables asset-backed securities, a whole mortgage, nineteen car loans and a million-dollar "win" ticket on I'll Have Another in the Belmont, base a CDO on the bundle and people would buy the damn thing. Synthetic CDOs, OTOH, are written only against credit default swaps--usually, naked CDS.

They call the people involved in these transactions counterparties. Each of them has money in the deal. The person who created and sold the CDO, which we will call the "writer," makes money if the people way down at the bottom of this thing, the homeowners who bought the houses the mortgages on which John Paulson is betting against, lose their homes to foreclosure. Quite obviously, the more people default the more money he makes and if they all default he'll be out there dancing nekkid in the middle of the street with mango jelly all over him. The people who bought the CDO, who we will call the "marks," make money if the homeowners pay off their mortgages. John Paulson doesn't want the marks to make money, because the more they make the less he does. Hence the need to pick mortgages he absolutely knew would fail.

I read the prospectus. It specifically said the investment was a synthetic CDO, and this is how synthetic CDOs all work.

In short, what you are looking at here is nothing more, and nothing less, than a $100,000 lottery ticket. The only real difference is, when you buy a $2 Powerball ticket on Saturday and it doesn't win--the usual performance of a Powerball ticket--you throw it in your recycling bin and wait till Wednesday to try again. When you buy a $100,000 Goldman Sachs ticket on Monday and it performed as well as the Powerball ticket you bought Saturday, you go to your congressman with a sad story and they have an investigation.

The Commodity Futures Modernization Act specifically says derivatives are not "gambling transactions." This is true. Casinos have rules.

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Clearly, the Have-Mores are having a heyday. 99th_Monkey May 2012 #1
Economics class won't do it for ya jmowreader May 2012 #2
So we've created some kind of financial chimera whose DNA we can't even decode? Zalatix May 2012 #3
Precisely jmowreader May 2012 #30
Yep, I have a friend with a masters in math from MIT. He sat down and explained them to me stevenleser May 2012 #33
Banned? Oh no don't do that, just because we silly mortals cannot understand it. Zalatix May 2012 #34
Wendy Gramm TahitiNut May 2012 #4
Ding, Ding, Ding! salin May 2012 #8
"Almost"? sendero May 2012 #12
Not there yet, but have a good credit union salin May 2012 #28
"...money isn't earning much of anything." unkachuck May 2012 #51
What do you mean "no one knows what the hell they are"? FarCenter May 2012 #19
Pricey read that first one. laundry_queen May 2012 #27
Okay, Sayajit Das knows what the hell they are jmowreader May 2012 #31
That is a powerful metaphor, I hope you will consider building an OP coalition_unwilling May 2012 #43
Nor were the people whose houses were flattened... jmowreader May 2012 #50
4700 PAGES!!! That's 3x as long as War and Peace!!! Zalatix May 2012 #35
According to Malcolm Gladwell, it takes 10,000 hours to master something FarCenter May 2012 #39
Actually, the CFTC does not have regulatory authority over many of the coalition_unwilling May 2012 #42
Yes, I'd like to see the derivitives market regulated by the Nevada Gaming Commission Jack Rabbit May 2012 #48
There's a more important NCG rule jmowreader May 2012 #49
You're right. That is more important. Jack Rabbit May 2012 #54
Yup, and it needs to be declared void for the fraud that it is. Waiting For Everyman May 2012 #5
Indeed. This is nothing more than Monopoly money. hifiguy May 2012 #22
The key here is to understand that "notional value" isn't real. FBaggins May 2012 #6
Not only that.. sendero May 2012 #13
That's certainly correct. FBaggins May 2012 #15
I'll have to disagree . sendero May 2012 #16
There are two problems actually. Your problem is one of them, in that coalition_unwilling May 2012 #44
Magic Economics. Nice work if you can get it. TrollBuster9090 May 2012 #7
Ah, I see. I wasn't getting it because it's not even real. Zalatix May 2012 #9
The funny thing is, every empire of note, MadHound May 2012 #10
Rome is a bad example. DetlefK May 2012 #14
and the main chunk of money funding this empire is pillage magical thyme May 2012 #26
Rome is a bad example there too bhikkhu May 2012 #32
At least the Roman empire created some great art and philosophy that coalition_unwilling May 2012 #45
that sounds vaguely similar to onethatcares May 2012 #38
+1 Blue_Tires May 2012 #36
What's the difference between this and counterfeiting money? Please explain! DetlefK May 2012 #11
You are conflating currency (a physical form that money takes) and money (the coalition_unwilling May 2012 #46
Warren Buffett was sounding the alarm on derivatives way back in 2002 when PA Democrat May 2012 #17
No. Notional is not "worth" econoclast May 2012 #18
The other reason that the total notional is so high is that it is cumulative FarCenter May 2012 #20
Only if you think tomorrow's Powerball drawing is worth 2 Quadrillion dmallind May 2012 #21
Your analogy doesn't work because they divide the winnings for Powerball Taitertots May 2012 #25
isn't that 1.2 gazillion? nt Javaman May 2012 #23
Actually, it might be a Brazillion. nt eppur_se_muova May 2012 #24
Might as well be Triskellian Quatloons aint_no_life_nowhere May 2012 #29
Quick... before this thread goes south... Bigmack May 2012 #37
It will fall when it can't grow any more. bemildred May 2012 #40
Here, this might do it: bemildred May 2012 #41
Here's a good example from real life: AIG sold credit default swaps against coalition_unwilling May 2012 #47
It's stupendously simple Zanzoobar May 2012 #52
I think it's a very big deal indeed. pa28 May 2012 #53
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