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113. TPTB want to get their hands on Assange

Wed Aug 12, 2015, 09:49 PM

Aug 2015

for only one reason: to have him mysteriously die in custody following secret torture horrifying enough to faze Dick Cheney. He can't be permitted to stay alive and talking and he knows it. But he's too high profile to be rubbed out by normal methods. Anyone who thinks otherwise is embarrassingly naive or a useful idiot. Maybe both.

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Julian Assange Expected to Be Set Free Next Week [View all] lordsummerisle Aug 2015 OP

So basically he got 3 years of "embassy arrest". n/t PoliticAverse Aug 2015 #1

Better than Gitmo arrest which is what he feared if you Cleita Aug 2015 #2

Unusual things DO have a way of happening, and quite often, hifiguy Aug 2015 #7

Three years evading prosecution from rape BainsBane Aug 2015 #3

Oy. nt hifiguy Aug 2015 #9

yup. navarth Aug 2015 #102

The rape charge doesn't expire until 2020 GoldenEagle16 Aug 2015 #11

It would appear BainsBane Aug 2015 #13

Different members of his so-called "legal team" say different things at different times struggle4progress Aug 2015 #89

Can't say as I've kept on top of the lawyers involved BainsBane Aug 2015 #91

This is ALTERNET, and they sometimes don't tell the truth. MADem Aug 2015 #132

Whatever. elias49 Aug 2015 #32

Pretty much.. Dornick Aug 2015 #101

Assange was homegirl Aug 2015 #104

thank you. nt navarth Aug 2015 #108

Then you are no feminist hifiguy Aug 2015 #110

I imagine it's difficult to cower behind implication so often LanternWaste Aug 2015 #170

So the arrest warrants were wrong? Nt hack89 Aug 2015 #112

You honestly think MI6 or the CIA, hifiguy Aug 2015 #119

So dropping the charges is irrelevant hack89 Aug 2015 #122

He's now too high profile to just be hifiguy Aug 2015 #123

He wasn't high profile three years ago? hack89 Aug 2015 #128

They were given five months to question him in the Ecuadorian embassy . . . markpkessinger Aug 2015 #124

Maybe if they had something like "evidence" or corroborated , consistent testimony under oath, bvar22 Aug 2015 #177

What about Chelsea Manning? DemocraticWing Aug 2015 #4

And there you have the answer for why Assange has been in the Ecudorean embassy for 3 years. nt truebluegreen Aug 2015 #57

Blammo. hifiguy Aug 2015 #75

Yup. closeupready Aug 2015 #159

Were I in the UK, I should be most pleased to see him tried under the Bail Act struggle4progress Aug 2015 #5

Good. Octafish Aug 2015 #6

+! hifiguy Aug 2015 #21

True enough. elias49 Aug 2015 #33

Correct. 840high Aug 2015 #36

Journalism and perhaps ozone_man Aug 2015 #50

Right again, Octafish. hedda_foil Aug 2015 #68

All the whistleblowers convicted over the past 15 years need be pardoned. They are heroes. Dont call me Shirley Aug 2015 #69

If the US really wants him, they will have the British police arrest him when he leaves the embassy. Nye Bevan Aug 2015 #8

I'm certainly agree they (we) are more interested truebluegreen Aug 2015 #63

The fourth charge, which is for rape, does not expire for another five years GoldenEagle16 Aug 2015 #10

Yeah, and the Brits would probably like a crack at him for bail jumping cemaphonic Aug 2015 #12

657. Tolling of Statute of Limitations PoliticAverse Aug 2015 #16

Yikes! Bail jumping! Now we're talking big-leagues! elias49 Aug 2015 #35

Dog the Bounty Hunter still around? hifiguy Aug 2015 #59

IIRC one of his lawyers has said JA can't leave the embassy until the UK promises struggle4progress Aug 2015 #96

He owes a lot of money to a LOT of people--some of whom are pissed off. MADem Aug 2015 #135

LOL. bvar22 Aug 2015 #181

Well, get ready to write a check, then! MADem Aug 2015 #183

Writing the check is the easy part. bvar22 Aug 2015 #184

Really? Tell that to Buddy Cianci and Rod Blagojevich!! MADem Aug 2015 #185

Easily: bvar22 Aug 2015 #186

You're not hot at all. You claimed that rich people don't go to jail. I proved you wrong. MADem Aug 2015 #188

however reorg Aug 2015 #15

If she described a rape then it was a rape GoldenEagle16 Aug 2015 #17

she didn't n/t reorg Aug 2015 #23

Have you actually read the charges on his arrest warrant? GoldenEagle16 Aug 2015 #25

of course I did n/t reorg Aug 2015 #27

So unwanted and forced intercourse is ok in your book? ok. nt GoldenEagle16 Aug 2015 #29

it was quite the opposite of 'unwanted' and wasn't 'forced' neither n/t reorg Aug 2015 #31

Here are the four charges. Defend these if you can. GoldenEagle16 Aug 2015 #39

expired, expired, expired, reorg Aug 2015 #49

So none of those charges equal sexual assault in your mind? GoldenEagle16 Aug 2015 #53

no, they were all based on lies n/t reorg Aug 2015 #61

Charges equal the square root of zilch hifiguy Aug 2015 #62

Couldn't have anything to do with that sleazy rove now, could it? Dont call me Shirley Aug 2015 #78

Because we can't trust women to be honest about sexual assault. GoldenEagle16 Aug 2015 #80

So why bother with a trial at all? hifiguy Aug 2015 #85

Actually, a trial would be good. Codeine Aug 2015 #97

I agree that the woman deserves her day in court. Nt hack89 Aug 2015 #105

I am a woman who has been raped. I am honest. Dont call me Shirley Aug 2015 #92

Thank you. sibelian Aug 2015 #141

Thank You. bvar22 Aug 2015 #176

... something, something, something...Scotsboro Boys and rape charges. Hoppy Aug 2015 #111

So women cannot be trusted when it comes to accusations of sexual assault hack89 Aug 2015 #114

Use the internet tubes to find Innocense Project and look at cases of Hoppy Aug 2015 #117

So beside Assange being all edgy and dreamy hack89 Aug 2015 #120

And the way we resolve these disputes are trials mythology Aug 2015 #154

The context of this case is international espionage hifiguy Aug 2015 #125

Note: bvar22 Aug 2015 #194

So that justifies slut shaming and calling them liars? hack89 Aug 2015 #195

I don't believe I have engaged in "slut shaming" or naming any specific person a "liar". bvar22 Aug 2015 #196

You just jumped into the middle of thread full of both hack89 Aug 2015 #197

...and there is a reason I posted what I posted, bvar22 Aug 2015 #198

So your instinct in rape cases is to trust the man over the woman hack89 Aug 2015 #199

No, but my experience in courtrooms has taught me that: bvar22 Aug 2015 #200

Prosecutors were given ample opportunity to question him at the Ecuadorian embassy . . . markpkessinger Aug 2015 #127

Why did he flee Sweden after the prosecutor asked to interview him? hack89 Aug 2015 #130

Fleeing is not necessarily an admission of guilt . . . markpkessinger Aug 2015 #131

Because he refused to agree to surrender if arrested . Nt hack89 Aug 2015 #133

He actually agreed to go to Sweden IF they agreed not to extradite him to the U.S. They refused. markpkessinger Aug 2015 #134

It is a promise they can't make - Sweden has an independent judiciary GoldenEagle16 Aug 2015 #143

OMG, this case has been political from the very beginning - reorg Aug 2015 #150

They couldn't arrest him GoldenEagle16 Aug 2015 #145

Quit posting false information reorg Aug 2015 #152

I.E. if SHE said it was rape, it was, unequivocally ? elias49 Aug 2015 #38

Here are the four charges. Judge for yourself. GoldenEagle16 Aug 2015 #41

Post removed Post removed Aug 2015 #43

So if she wasn't such a slut she wouldn't have been raped? GoldenEagle16 Aug 2015 #44

Holy shit you did not just write that! Codeine Aug 2015 #48

Grow up. nt elias49 Aug 2015 #56

Says the rape apologist. Codeine Aug 2015 #64

Post removed Post removed Aug 2015 #73

*mic drop* nt Codeine Aug 2015 #77

And a predictably bullshit hide by the Assange Fan Club. nt Codeine Aug 2015 #99

+a zillion...nt SidDithers Aug 2015 #93

You grow up. Cha Aug 2015 #142

What? etherealtruth Aug 2015 #51

Here they come! elias49 Aug 2015 #54

Yeah, that's it etherealtruth Aug 2015 #55

Yep, anyone who doesn't want to be raped is a man-hater. Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #66

Maybe you won't get a hide on that thread. nt Codeine Aug 2015 #67

LoL. This gorilla gets it hifiguy Aug 2015 #71

You have heard this before: etherealtruth Aug 2015 #82

Even for heroic chick magnets? Codeine Aug 2015 #83

Sadly, nothing surprises me any more etherealtruth Aug 2015 #87

He was obviously a chick magnet and everybody knew it n/t reorg Aug 2015 #60

Are you people for fucking real? Codeine Aug 2015 #70

huh? reorg Aug 2015 #74

People are willing to dismiss rape, because he's a "hero" tammywammy Aug 2015 #76

It wasn't 'rape', and why don't you ask the Swedes reorg Aug 2015 #79

This is what I'm willing to sacrifice... tammywammy Aug 2015 #81

right, another swear word - almost like a grown-up reorg Aug 2015 #84

+ a zillion...nt SidDithers Aug 2015 #98

Jury results on post 81 JustABozoOnThisBus Aug 2015 #149

Jury results Tanuki Aug 2015 #151

Survived the hide. I feel the same. randome Aug 2015 #167

It says "rape" on the European Arrest Warrant. cemaphonic Aug 2015 #139

Sure, they will 'attempt' to charge him with reorg Aug 2015 #148

Of course, you mean the 'alleged" rape. bvar22 Aug 2015 #182

Sofia Wil�n did not know what happened to her was rape. joshcryer Aug 2015 #138

that doesn't seem to be entirely correct reorg Aug 2015 #14

What a bunch of self serving bull shit GoldenEagle16 Aug 2015 #18

the Swedes obviously didn't want to pursue these allegations reorg Aug 2015 #24

What the fuck are you talking about? GoldenEagle16 Aug 2015 #28

they had three years time to interview him in the embassy n/t reorg Aug 2015 #30

But he would not agree to surrender if arrested GoldenEagle16 Aug 2015 #34

I think you pulled one thread too many elias49 Aug 2015 #40

That was the crux of the issue GoldenEagle16 Aug 2015 #42

you don't know shit about how the Swedes do things reorg Aug 2015 #45

And if arrested, they would have been extradited to Sweden, correct? GoldenEagle16 Aug 2015 #47

Yawn reorg Aug 2015 #52

So you display your ignorance of Swedish legal procedures and defend rape. GoldenEagle16 Aug 2015 #58

I suggest you read up a little about 'Swedish procedures', bye n/t reorg Aug 2015 #65

That's simply paranoiac narcissism. randome Aug 2015 #19

coulda woulda shoulda reorg Aug 2015 #26

Until the end of time. hifiguy Aug 2015 #90

Nonsense like "the UK is a close ally and would love to help us"? jeff47 Aug 2015 #94

Looking forward to Wikileaks exposing more MIC dirt in a vicious decade long vendetta. nt Zorra Aug 2015 #20

+1 nt hifiguy Aug 2015 #22

He has made it big time seveneyes Aug 2015 #37

Long and tough road, but the destination (TRUTH) is worth it. bvar22 Aug 2015 #46

Amen to that bvar. hifiguy Aug 2015 #72

I'm surprised he has survived this long.... bvar22 Aug 2015 #178

As am I. hifiguy Aug 2015 #179

He'd only fall a few feet where he's at right now.... MADem Aug 2015 #187

Of Course, you know that the phrase... bvar22 Aug 2015 #189

Defenestration.....did he jump, or was he pushed? MADem Aug 2015 #191

Statute on the 4th accusation, rape... SidDithers Aug 2015 #86

His lawyers are probably gambling that the Swedes won't have enough evidence to prove it. (nt) jeff47 Aug 2015 #95

Do they have evidence on the other charges? joshcryer Aug 2015 #137

Yes, the other charges are easier to prove. (nt) jeff47 Aug 2015 #155

But they can simply let him sit for another 5 years hack89 Aug 2015 #153

The charge isn't dropped. So if he leaves the embassy, the UK is supposed jeff47 Aug 2015 #156

And he has no intention of leaving the embassy. hack89 Aug 2015 #157

Except for the story in the OP that says he does. (nt) jeff47 Aug 2015 #160

So he no longer fears extradition to the US via Sweden? hack89 Aug 2015 #161

So...the claim that he would be scooped up by the US is a lie? jeff47 Aug 2015 #88

The idea was that once under trial in Sweden, the USA would file a request for his extradition Betty Karlson Aug 2015 #140

And the big gaping hole in this idea jeff47 Aug 2015 #158

He hadn't broken any UK laws either. Betty Karlson Aug 2015 #164

He doesn't have to break any UK laws for the US to seek extradition. jeff47 Aug 2015 #165

Except for skipping bail. He may still need to face the music for that. randome Aug 2015 #166

"Set free"? He's in the Ecuadorian Embassy by his own choice. George II Aug 2015 #100

And the British Crown spent something like 12 million pounds... backscatter712 Aug 2015 #103

Just "rape" is fine. No need to minimize it with cutesy phraseology. nt Codeine Aug 2015 #106

So Sweden claims. backscatter712 Aug 2015 #109

TPTB want to get their hands on Assange hifiguy Aug 2015 #113

Yes. Certainly, we know black people don't appear to have a right to life, liberty closeupready Aug 2015 #162

Fantastic! navarth Aug 2015 #107

So he was lying about being extradited to America? hack89 Aug 2015 #115

I think the charges are lies navarth Aug 2015 #118

Isn't that why we have trials? To settle such issues? Nt hack89 Aug 2015 #121

Ask the Rosenbergs navarth Aug 2015 #126

Well, Ethel anyway . . . markpkessinger Aug 2015 #129

Julius Rosenberg was unquestionably guilty. Codeine Aug 2015 #144

what system do you propose, since the trial thingy does not work? treestar Aug 2015 #147

I propose we find Assange GUILTY navarth Aug 2015 #180

Not an answer treestar Aug 2015 #192

It's the answer you wanted navarth Aug 2015 #193

Good point treestar Aug 2015 #146

.... Historic NY Aug 2015 #116

These threads they go like this. Rex Aug 2015 #136

I have no idea what you mean by this n/t lordsummerisle Aug 2015 #171

"Set free"? He isn't imprisoned, he's hiding under diplomatic cover Blue_Tires Aug 2015 #163

Not all of his charges are being dropped. backscatter712 Aug 2015 #168

There are no charges. Zorra Aug 2015 #169

Fair point. n/t backscatter712 Aug 2015 #172

Semantic games cemaphonic Aug 2015 #173

There are no charges. nt Zorra Aug 2015 #174

Then why is he hiding? randome Aug 2015 #175

Bookmarking...nt SidDithers Aug 2015 #190

And hopefully not nabbed by US agents 10 minutes later FiveGoodMen Aug 2015 #201

HE IS NOT BEING 'SET FREE' markpkessinger Aug 2015 #202

I agree with their statement lordsummerisle Aug 2015 #203