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joshcryer

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106. I differ to Thom.

Thu Aug 13, 2015, 06:17 AM

Aug 2015

He dismissed such conspiracy theories outright.

Nevermind there is zero evidence of such happenings, only FUD suppositions. This is damaging to anyone who supports Sanders (which I do).

I made a similar comment to Thom about the BLM Clinton protesters. But they knew that couldn't get in. Her events are private. No one not vetted gets in. Period. Thom and I are on the same page: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251510309

Thom is sort of off base because BLM has since said they recorded the event themselves and will be posting it. I believe BLM deserves exclusivity toward such ends. Journalists shouldn't be able to meddle in their interactions, because as we saw, BLM got absolutely trashed by the media. BLM should release what video they recorded soon.

But at least Thom isn't raising "suspicions."

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Thank you Thom Hartman for your perspective on the Marissa Johnson diatribe [View all] Farmbrook Aug 2015 OP

Thom is a special, amazing and honorable human being avaistheone1 Aug 2015 #1

Arguably ShrimpPoboy Aug 2015 #9

me too handmade34 Aug 2015 #17

He used to post here, but was not treated very well by some people and I guess he sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #44

He posted in this thread, as a matter of fact. PeaceNikki Aug 2015 #115

I heard that segment and it was very touching.... n8dogg83 Aug 2015 #2

The reason so many are torn about it passiveporcupine Aug 2015 #10

Unpresidential??!! staggerleem Aug 2015 #24

Issues, you want to talk issues? Which issues do you disagree with Sen Sanders? XL Pipeline, rhett o rick Aug 2015 #190

I agree with Bernie on Just about everything. staggerleem Aug 2015 #201

Sorry. Not sure what happened there. nm rhett o rick Aug 2015 #202

You all make a major issue about something BainsBane Aug 2015 #45

Sorry Bain, but the hits on Bernie for looking weak passiveporcupine Aug 2015 #46

We are talking about the whole shit about BLM, those two protestors BainsBane Aug 2015 #80

Where were all these attacks on black people? RichVRichV Aug 2015 #71

Did you read this site this weekend? BainsBane Aug 2015 #82

You just don't get it. RichVRichV Aug 2015 #88

Thom Hartmann gets it. Cha Aug 2015 #99

White Supremacists daredtowork Aug 2015 #102

BLM knows it's a divisive term... druidity33 Aug 2015 #108

I don't think it was a plot from BLM to use the term daredtowork Aug 2015 #110

I'm not outraged. RichVRichV Aug 2015 #135

If you believe "White Supremacy" crosses that kind of line daredtowork Aug 2015 #142

I understand the history of the term quite well. RichVRichV Aug 2015 #157

I'm not trying to stop you from discussing it daredtowork Aug 2015 #158

I'm not an overly academic person RichVRichV Aug 2015 #160

I'm not saying it's ridiculous or offensive daredtowork Aug 2015 #162

How can the effects of white supremacy on Jews be RichVRichV Aug 2015 #164

Was the "pushing around Bernie" act an official BLM act, or one by individuals AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #179

I don't think this has to be seen as mutually exclusive daredtowork Aug 2015 #183

"Liberal white supremacy". At least get the 'offending" term right! Understand it rather than distorting the meaning? OK? Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #124

LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #133

Yes, and once you have posted a comment based on the terribly faulty knowledge of others, you have to stick to it! Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #136

I'm not your enemy. I never was. RichVRichV Aug 2015 #137

There you go "misquoting", again! ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #139

I never quoted you. RichVRichV Aug 2015 #159

I think if you read my posts ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #161

Both sides are guilty. RichVRichV Aug 2015 #163

Agree. This attempt to blame Hillary supporters for the bad behavior sufrommich Aug 2015 #113

Bernie Supporters Fell for a Gambit daredtowork Aug 2015 #85

Really? 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #132

Why would we feel the need to defend Bernie passiveporcupine Aug 2015 #177

This ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #178

and that is a problem... druidity33 Aug 2015 #193

Yes the first condemnations were of the protestors. They clearly didn't want to talk only rhett o rick Aug 2015 #191

Yeah ... Okay. I seem to recall ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #192

As I recall, Pres Obama didn't have a use for Van Jones. But this discussion wasn't about rhett o rick Aug 2015 #194

You clearly have read, neither ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #195

Get it? What is it us "liberal white supremists" aren't getting? notadmblnd Aug 2015 #3

You clearly don't Skidmore Aug 2015 #5

Well I asked for an explaination and got this notadmblnd Aug 2015 #6

She was asking that Skidmore Aug 2015 #7

and neither can others notadmblnd Aug 2015 #8

We each choose as individuals what part of her message to focus on. PeaceNikki Aug 2015 #12

That is a truly awesome post ismnotwasm Aug 2015 #20

Thanks, I really mean it. PeaceNikki Aug 2015 #34

I no longer think she is any of those things notadmblnd Aug 2015 #22

i am a 56 year old black woman noiretextatique Aug 2015 #33

I hear you and respect your view. PeaceNikki Aug 2015 #35

Thank you, PeaceNikki, and likewise noiretextatique Aug 2015 #37

I do not think that rage should ever be rewarded. TM99 Aug 2015 #119

I just can't make it about her. The picture is bigger. PeaceNikki Aug 2015 #120

Because the picture is bigger, TM99 Aug 2015 #121

It doesn't have to be. We each choose as individuals what to focus on. PeaceNikki Aug 2015 #122

If only it was a personal choice. TM99 Aug 2015 #123

I have no objection to Sanders campaign integrating BLM into it. notadmblnd Aug 2015 #60

Sorry but it's hard to get past asshole when the person is throwing racial epitaphs out. RichVRichV Aug 2015 #77

Hrm, that's a shame. I can "get past asshole" because they're just words. PeaceNikki Aug 2015 #116

*epithets. Marr Aug 2015 #166

Thank you. RichVRichV Aug 2015 #168

Hear Hear. snagglepuss Aug 2015 #90

Perhaps if she had used the term "white privilege" you would understand. 6000eliot Aug 2015 #184

more insults notadmblnd Aug 2015 #186

And he was responding to a Sanders supporter some of them are really turning me off bigdarryl Aug 2015 #4

He's right. Bravenak tried to explain it to DU, too. PeaceNikki Aug 2015 #11

+1 JoePhilly Aug 2015 #27

+1 uponit7771 Aug 2015 #32

Yes she did. lovemydog Aug 2015 #56

+1 daredtowork Aug 2015 #84

Yes, Bravenak was explaining this all over the place.. and she wrote a letter to Thom Hartmann Cha Aug 2015 #91

+1 Bobbie Jo Aug 2015 #126

I love Thom and never miss his morning show. Cleita Aug 2015 #13

I heard that today, Thom is awesome. He saved my life. Dont call me Shirley Aug 2015 #14

K&R for you! (nt) apnu Aug 2015 #15

So What Happened with Black Lives Matter and Hillary Clinton? yuiyoshida Aug 2015 #16

Change through seeking jobs in the Hillary administration? daredtowork Aug 2015 #93

what you see is what there is. yuiyoshida Aug 2015 #118

how's the Palin button not relevant? it's hardly isolated from her other writings MisterP Aug 2015 #18

I firmly believe in protesting those who'd most help me. Deadshot Aug 2015 #19

Here's the link/rant - thanks for the kind words and let's all work to help wake up white folks... thomhartmann Aug 2015 #21

+1 uponit7771 Aug 2015 #29

+1 n/t Admiral Loinpresser Aug 2015 #31

"let's all work to help wake up white folks..." Ahhh... if only. Number23 Aug 2015 #38

Hey you. sheshe2 Aug 2015 #47

My grandmother said the same to my mother. My mother said the same to me. Number23 Aug 2015 #55

This... giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #129

Hey you! We have been absolutely overwhelmed in the AA forum. I'm sure you've seen the carnage Number23 Aug 2015 #167

Oh I know this place has been crazy... giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #169

Oh girl, I saw that thread. That was my Laugh of the Freaking WEEK right there. I laughed my ass Number23 Aug 2015 #171

I just don't get the cluelessness, people can't really giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #173

Thanks Thom. Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #41

Even if they were pure of heart, you have to admit the optics are bad for Bernie to be... aikoaiko Aug 2015 #43

Thom Hartmann also covered that daredtowork Aug 2015 #100

Thank you Thom Hartman. lovemydog Aug 2015 #48

Thank you, Thom, that was great! betsuni Aug 2015 #53

Thank you. Just what I was scrolling down to find. n/t OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #112

Well said. Thank you. Chiyo-chichi Aug 2015 #148

I was driving to the recycle center to drop off glass at the time Omaha Steve Aug 2015 #23

He also said today... SHRED Aug 2015 #25

I get the anger, the rage, the frustration, the fear expressed in every demonstration, magical thyme Aug 2015 #26

All reasonable, salient points. druidity33 Aug 2015 #176

apparently silent excoriation, because mostly all I'm hearing is magical thyme Aug 2015 #185

You articulate how I feel as well deutsey Aug 2015 #189

Oh Shit, DU is on the road to hating BLM........ too. Hartman isn't supposed to be interrupting that uponit7771 Aug 2015 #28

Sanders hired Symone Sanders, BLM activist noiretextatique Aug 2015 #39

Oh, it used to be that Bernie did not have any black people on his staff, or djean111 Aug 2015 #105

This is what Bravenak, 1strongblackman, number23, myself and many others stevenleser Aug 2015 #30

Yes indeed stevenlesser. lovemydog Aug 2015 #49

Why anyone would refuse to listen to such intelligent people who are right most of the time... betsuni Aug 2015 #58

Most of the Internet has been "getting it" which is why these people calling #BLM "thugs" and Number23 Aug 2015 #36

Why should he wade into this quagmire? noiretextatique Aug 2015 #40

Yes, this will get interesting. lovemydog Aug 2015 #52

+1 lovemydog Aug 2015 #50

Free bravenak! JustAnotherGen Aug 2015 #154

LOL, I'll buy that T-shirt. nt daredtowork Aug 2015 #155

Free bravenak! lovemydog Aug 2015 #170

Now that's taking it too far the other way daredtowork Aug 2015 #65

Only a fraud would say that #BLM was full of right wingers or working for Hillary Number23 Aug 2015 #68

Now you are the one "manufacturing outrage" daredtowork Aug 2015 #70

You are not proving or pointing out anything. And it boggles my mind that not only do you consider Number23 Aug 2015 #72

Boggle away daredtowork Aug 2015 #74

Whatever you're trying to get out of this pointless exchange, I hope that you got it. Number23 Aug 2015 #76

I'm hardly the "lone hold out" daredtowork Aug 2015 #81

You are in a thread where Thom Hartmann is calling out people for attacking black people Number23 Aug 2015 #86

And so you double down on manufacturing outrage? daredtowork Aug 2015 #87

I have no idea what you're talking about and honestly, have no interest in trying to Number23 Aug 2015 #89

You know what you are doing by slapping labels on people daredtowork Aug 2015 #94

If calling this exchange dumb and pointless is "slapping a label on people" then consider that label Number23 Aug 2015 #95

If you think so. nt daredtowork Aug 2015 #97

Please don't drag my name into a discussion like this. Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #125

LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #138

I apologize for bringing your name into it. daredtowork Aug 2015 #141

This message was self-deleted by its author DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #127

Sorry but he or she to blow up the blame daredtowork Aug 2015 #143

This message was self-deleted by its author DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #149

Okay I take your point. daredtowork Aug 2015 #150

Thank you ... DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #151

No one "Hates" Sanders ismnotwasm Aug 2015 #134

I agree it is surreal daredtowork Aug 2015 #144

Black Lives Matter did not notify the Clinton campaign. giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #174

Could you send to some links/resources to clarify this daredtowork Aug 2015 #187

"I know you won't listen" Could not have made that more obvious if they were trying to Number23 Aug 2015 #165

That's what I think ismnotwasm Aug 2015 #175

Why did you edit out "full of shit"? George II Aug 2015 #172

DemocratFromBirth asked me to daredtowork Aug 2015 #188

Wow, Thom destroyed those arguments. joshcryer Aug 2015 #42

"What a low point for DU." Yep. Number23 Aug 2015 #51

An embarrassing low point. betsuni Aug 2015 #54

It was damn ugly. Bobbie Jo Aug 2015 #128

A week that will go down in infamy. Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #57

So when people see wedges being driven between groups on the left... killbotfactory Aug 2015 #59

we are not supposed to believe our lying ears Skittles Aug 2015 #61

What's the largest most reliable Democratic voting bloc? joshcryer Aug 2015 #69

ostracizing ANYONE is not a good strategy Skittles Aug 2015 #140

Well, I don't think Thom is being ratfucked. joshcryer Aug 2015 #64

+1 daredtowork Aug 2015 #67

There is a long history of dirty tricks being pulled on the left wing... killbotfactory Aug 2015 #73

Yes I think BLM has to give some leeway for this, too. daredtowork Aug 2015 #75

You can only respond to an action after the fact. joshcryer Aug 2015 #79

I'm not so sure it was daredtowork Aug 2015 #83

BLM can't hurt Bernie. joshcryer Aug 2015 #103

I agree with the breather daredtowork Aug 2015 #104

I differ to Thom. joshcryer Aug 2015 #106

That's why I asked for the Black Agenda Report quote daredtowork Aug 2015 #107

Thom is not "raising suspicions." joshcryer Aug 2015 #109

"raising suspicions" is the effect it has daredtowork Aug 2015 #111

"Bernie supporters are natural conspiracy theorists." joshcryer Aug 2015 #114

this might explain why some of his so called supporters keep comparing him to Donald Trump JI7 Aug 2015 #196

The "suspicions" are likely the trick. joshcryer Aug 2015 #78

Called out DU by name? Ouch. daredtowork Aug 2015 #62

He (or his people) posted the video in this thread: joshcryer Aug 2015 #66

Yup ismnotwasm Aug 2015 #63

Some will take this to heart.. and some will continue in their same rut.. looking for hidden Cha Aug 2015 #92

Thom was also looking for motives daredtowork Aug 2015 #96

Thom Hartmann has soul and compassion.. I will not listen to anyone whining about him. Cha Aug 2015 #98

I'm not whining about him daredtowork Aug 2015 #101

I don't disagree with Thom - especially the TBF Aug 2015 #117

Thom Hartmann has been doing Lunch with Bernie before Sanders ever entered the race Person 2713 Aug 2015 #130

My husband was a black man, whose life I attempted to ensure mattered notadmblnd Aug 2015 #180

I guess that's why I thought at first TBF Aug 2015 #181

I too am an admirer of Bravenak and I have express my admiration for her to her notadmblnd Aug 2015 #182

The answer to "Why Bernie?" is very simple, and requires no conspiracy theories eridani Aug 2015 #197

I actually found Marissa's statement on "why Bernie" TBF Aug 2015 #199

I think back to the suffragette movement & the old saying, "Well behaved women rarely make history." CrispyQ Aug 2015 #131

Ask Ida B. Wells-Barnett about those women you cite BumRushDaShow Aug 2015 #146

The diff in the feminist experience wasnt' something I was aware of CrispyQ Aug 2015 #147

"Expediency" has been the rallying cry BumRushDaShow Aug 2015 #153

She is still a bratty, foolish, childish person who called a Jewish man a white supremacist. phleshdef Aug 2015 #145

Not interested in Hartman anymore, He can't speak for most Dem's anymore lewebley3 Aug 2015 #152

The "killing" is not "concentrated in the red states" BumRushDaShow Aug 2015 #156

Sanders is "weak"? Well excuuussse me! It wasn't his event! eridani Aug 2015 #198

Sanders not Presidential material! lewebley3 Aug 2015 #200