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LeftishBrit

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35. I agree that all our political party leaders are relatively liberal on social issues
Sun May 20, 2012, 04:18 AM
May 2012

And that's a good thing, when I compare them with the likes of Palin and Santorum in America; not to mention people like Nadine Dorries here. But there are big differences in economic issues. And in the end if a politician regards poor people as feckless people who need 'tough love' to force them to overcome their 'benefit dependency', then they are NOT really socially liberal. I have always thought that the recent tendency to separate social and economic progressivism is misguided, as you cannot really have either for all without the other; and it is especially misguided in a country like the UK with a traditional social class system.

I thought Brown was as good a Prime Minister as anyone we've had recently; and he did not 'spend like a drunken sailor'; that is propaganda from those who dislike the public sector as such. Blair did overspend on wars, projects like the Millennium Dome, and constant reorganizations of everything (though that is not the cause of the economic crisis, which is a global issue); but Brown really did work to improve health and education in this country. He was not perfect, far from it- I think our last good Prime Minister was Harold Wilson, and Callaghan was better than anyone who came after -but he was infinitely better than Cameron.

There have been times when there wasn't much of a difference between the parties, and certainly I consider Blair to have been a Tory; but I think there is a pretty huge difference in the fundamentals right now. The basic issue is: do you deal with the economic crisis mainly by using the government to combat it - through job creation, and through protecting the most vulnerable people; or do you deal with it predominantly by seeing government as the problem, and by cutting public services which inevitably leads at a time of recession to greater unemployment, and means that the most vulnerable suffer the most as they are the ones who are generally most dependent on public services?

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You are unfortunately all too correct LeftishBrit May 2012 #1
Yes, George Osborne is an amazing idiot. cthulu2016 May 2012 #2
I bitterly regret voting for Clegg Prophet 451 May 2012 #11
Funny how the right has gone from deficits-do-not-matter to deficits-worse-than-terrorism. tabatha May 2012 #3
Absolutely AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #8
Not stupid, this is boilerplate Neo-Liberal Corporatist ideology. Odin2005 May 2012 #4
Yes, they want "austerity" because it benefits their pocket books. nt ladjf May 2012 #5
Well, he's not the sharpest knife in the drawer, mr blur May 2012 #6
Holding office doesn't require intelligence nor honesty. See Bachmann, Palin, et cetera. Gregorian May 2012 #7
His job prior to politics was Mutiny In Heaven May 2012 #9
He's not stupid, he's evil Prophet 451 May 2012 #10
They often go hand in hand cthulu2016 May 2012 #12
He will NOT dismantle the NHS FunkyLeprechaun May 2012 #17
He's started handing it over to private companies already Prophet 451 May 2012 #19
To be fair, the internal market has been part of the English NHS for years. MichaelMcGuire May 2012 #20
True, but... Prophet 451 May 2012 #26
It's not for me to dictate NHS policy in England. MichaelMcGuire May 2012 #27
Of course it's ideological Prophet 451 May 2012 #28
He also went to university for free. That didn't stop him upping the fees. LeftishBrit May 2012 #33
Why is this post being taken seriously? FunkyLeprechaun May 2012 #13
Perhaps you're a conservative who favors marriage equality cthulu2016 May 2012 #14
I'm actually not a conservative FunkyLeprechaun May 2012 #16
Cameron's cuts have hurt Mutiny In Heaven May 2012 #15
Cameron's cuts have hurt EVERYONE FunkyLeprechaun May 2012 #18
I apologize. I shouldn't have been political earlier cthulu2016 May 2012 #22
That's a myth Prophet 451 May 2012 #23
Gordon Brown did NOT leave that note LeftishBrit May 2012 #34
"disproportionately affects those with mental health issues" Prophet 451 May 2012 #24
I agree that all our political party leaders are relatively liberal on social issues LeftishBrit May 2012 #35
I think that is the general consensus about Cameron. He is merely a tool who does what sabrina 1 May 2012 #21
I question some of your assumptions Prometheus Bound May 2012 #25
Probably disorganized, but i'll try cthulu2016 May 2012 #29
Thanks for the very thorough reply. Prometheus Bound May 2012 #30
So deficit reduction produces confidence? It's important that markets are confident? Cali_Democrat May 2012 #31
URRK! cthulu2016 May 2012 #32
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