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In reply to the discussion: Absolutely no one in government should implement a 'private email server'... [View all]WillyT
(72,631 posts)53. It Gets Worse...
Tips on Deleting Emails From Email Book Hillary Clinton Wanted to Read
Aug 12, 2015, 7:03 PM ET
By JONATHAN KARL and SUMMER FIELDS
ABCNews
<snip>
The last batch of Hillary Clinton emails released by the State Department included one from Clinton asking to borrow a book called Send: Why People Email So Badly and How to Do It Better, by David Shipley and Will Schwalbe.
Clinton has not said why she requested the book, but it includes some advice that is particularly interesting in light of the controversy over her unconventional email arrangement at the State Department and her decision to delete tens of thousands of emails she deemed to be purely personal.
The copy that ABC downloaded for $9.99 had some interesting revelations.
Take, for example, Chapter Six: The Email That Can Land You In Jail. The chapter includes a section entitled How to Delete Something So It Stays Deleted.
Some people are hoarders, some are checkers, the authors write. The main thing to consider is that once you do decide to delete, its like taking the garbage from your kitchen and putting it in your hallway. Its still there.
The chapter advised that to truly delete emails may require a special rewriting program to make sure that its not just elsewhere on the drive but has in fact been written over sixteen or twenty times and rendered undefinable.
But Shipley and Schwalbe warn that deleting emails could lead to future legal troubles.
On page 215, the authors list Stupid (and Real) Email Phrases That Wound Up in Court. Number one on the list? DELETE THIS EMAIL! Later, on page 226, the writers warn, If youre issued a subpoena, your deletion binge will only make you look guilty.
The FBI is investigating the handling of classified information in Clintons emails, while she maintains she has done nothing illegal or improper.
<snip>
More: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/tips-deleting-emails-email-book-hillary-clinton-wanted/story?id=33046042
Aug 12, 2015, 7:03 PM ET
By JONATHAN KARL and SUMMER FIELDS
ABCNews
<snip>
The last batch of Hillary Clinton emails released by the State Department included one from Clinton asking to borrow a book called Send: Why People Email So Badly and How to Do It Better, by David Shipley and Will Schwalbe.
Clinton has not said why she requested the book, but it includes some advice that is particularly interesting in light of the controversy over her unconventional email arrangement at the State Department and her decision to delete tens of thousands of emails she deemed to be purely personal.
The copy that ABC downloaded for $9.99 had some interesting revelations.
Take, for example, Chapter Six: The Email That Can Land You In Jail. The chapter includes a section entitled How to Delete Something So It Stays Deleted.
Some people are hoarders, some are checkers, the authors write. The main thing to consider is that once you do decide to delete, its like taking the garbage from your kitchen and putting it in your hallway. Its still there.
The chapter advised that to truly delete emails may require a special rewriting program to make sure that its not just elsewhere on the drive but has in fact been written over sixteen or twenty times and rendered undefinable.
But Shipley and Schwalbe warn that deleting emails could lead to future legal troubles.
On page 215, the authors list Stupid (and Real) Email Phrases That Wound Up in Court. Number one on the list? DELETE THIS EMAIL! Later, on page 226, the writers warn, If youre issued a subpoena, your deletion binge will only make you look guilty.
The FBI is investigating the handling of classified information in Clintons emails, while she maintains she has done nothing illegal or improper.
<snip>
More: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/tips-deleting-emails-email-book-hillary-clinton-wanted/story?id=33046042
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Absolutely no one in government should implement a 'private email server'... [View all]
TheProgressive
Aug 2015
OP
For those unaware of the Bush email issue there's a Wikipedia article on the topic...
PoliticAverse
Aug 2015
#1
But was Hillary's server hacked? Was Powell's? Did China get into their e-mail systems or just
kelliekat44
Aug 2015
#73
See my #3. One of the things you find as an IT Person is if you prevent folks from doing their jobs
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#4
"Otherwise, IT Security is mandated from the highest level in most organizations now"
goldent
Aug 2015
#76
Nope, State and the US Government has other safeguards and folks to whom you can report wrongdoing.
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#77
I am too. And with the OIGs there is anonymous reporting so that takes away reluctance.
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#80
The State dept email system was essentially unaccessible remotely. Clinton was almost always remote
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#3
Of course it's allowed because it's the truth. And you obviously don't know the first thing
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#13
If you bothered to do any research, you would know this has been complained about by the last 5
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#15
So you admit you have done no research on this at all before opining? Because links on this abound.
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#21
Which goes back to my second comment to you. You don't understand government procurement.
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#28
Short answer? No, I don't. All of that persons communications don't need to be secure.
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#31
No. That system is specifically for classified emails. It's not supposed to be used for normal SOS
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#40
Anyone who has worked for the government knows about class/unclass partitioning
Recursion
Aug 2015
#70
Because there are people who know better. And here is a simple example that should drive it home.
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#78
The federal government has been repeatedly hacked. We have not heard Word One about Clinton....
Hekate
Aug 2015
#50
Colin Powell used a private server and erased all the emails after he left office.
pnwmom
Aug 2015
#61
The first responsibility of anyone in any job is to get the job done. If the appropriate materials
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#17
No, it's not. You've demonstrated you really don't have a handle on this at all. nt
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#32
Well, if they use different fallacies, I will call them out on them. People seem to like to try to
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#42
Thank you Steven for taking this on in your answers throughout this subthread. Why do they ...
Hekate
Aug 2015
#52
No, it doesnt. Your continued objections without any knowledge sound lame. nt
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#16
I agree 100% No one no matter which party should use a "Private email server" to conduct the busines
diabeticman
Aug 2015
#8
It does not matter which email system they use, the NSA reads all of them anyway.
Bunkalup
Aug 2015
#10
Colin Powell, as I understand it. But it would be nice if the antique government
pnwmom
Aug 2015
#35
Contractors and service members all over the air force ran them for years, may still.
jtuck004
Aug 2015
#56