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199. The difference with ISIS is

Fri Aug 14, 2015, 11:53 AM

Aug 2015

That raping civilians is not frowned upon at all. In fact, it is encouraged.

American soldiers today are professionals and I believe the overwhelming majority of them would find the notion of raping civilians repugnant. And yes, I know it has happened, but the practice is not enshrined in our military culture, certainly not encouraged or even given tacit approval. American soldiers who engaged in this behavior would be viewed as psychopaths by their fellow soldiers.

Our enemies, however, have no such moral or legal constraints placed on their ability to fight total war. So how do you fight a culture that is willing to engage in such barbarities?

I think one issue is we've never been occupied. We have no idea what it is like to live under an enemy army who rapes and murders on a whim.

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This is horrifying beyond belief. And, no, what ISIS is doing is not comparable [View all] pnwmom Aug 2015 OP

ugh Liberal_in_LA Aug 2015 #1

"to the victor go the spoils"! pocoloco Aug 2015 #203

Honestly, what the fuck is wrong with you? smirkymonkey Aug 2015 #310

Men who HATE women and children. nt valerief Aug 2015 #2

Evil... onecaliberal Aug 2015 #3

appalling. i can't imagine the DesertFlower Aug 2015 #4

Unfortunately as we have seen with the rw Christians in the USA you can jwirr Aug 2015 #207

Remember, ISIS claims to be the ultra-orthdox wing of Islam, justified by the Q'uran, which it ancianita Aug 2015 #306

Men using religion to justify violating women is disgusting. Ilsa Aug 2015 #5

I'll second that. smirkymonkey Aug 2015 #236

When this was posted earlier, I noted that this is at least the third major war crime/crime against stevenleser Aug 2015 #6

They don't care. AngryAmish Aug 2015 #167

I don't give a rat's ass about cultural differences alarimer Aug 2015 #189

Absolutely ^^^ discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2015 #195

IIRC, there was a trilogy titled "Shogun" by James Clavell. bvar22 Aug 2015 #232

+1000 smirkymonkey Aug 2015 #311

Certain things are always wrong. hifiguy Aug 2015 #313

"new generation of war" raping women and girls has been SOP with occupying forces in more cultures bettyellen Aug 2015 #192

True, but... EL34x4 Aug 2015 #193

It was part of the plan for a lot of occupying cultures- so nothing new about it. Even when it was bettyellen Aug 2015 #194

The difference with ISIS is EL34x4 Aug 2015 #199

Yes, I was speaking of other countries mostly... bettyellen Aug 2015 #206

"What do you mean WE, whiteman?" dougolat Aug 2015 #218

When the USA is occupying foreign lands, bvar22 Aug 2015 #230

Bull Shit For Freddie Aug 2015 #231

No, not bull shit EL34x4 Aug 2015 #284

There is nothing new about using rape to subjugate a conquered culture. JDPriestly Aug 2015 #216

I believe I have been misunderstood. AngryAmish Aug 2015 #217

I agree that they are operating outside international law especially in the kidnapping of young JDPriestly Aug 2015 #224

The idea war crimes was established by the Geneva Conventions and jwirr Aug 2015 #209

We are following the rules again after the Bush administration. And the degrees to which we went off stevenleser Aug 2015 #210

On that I agree - but I doubt if the people in the ME see the difference. jwirr Aug 2015 #223

I'm sure the people being enslaved Dorian Gray Aug 2015 #274

Agreed. jwirr Aug 2015 #281

more from the horrific descriptions in the article. Monsters!!! Glad they lived to tell the tell Liberal_in_LA Aug 2015 #7

Thank you for adding this. There was only so much I could quote, as you know . . . pnwmom Aug 2015 #15

Well I guess it's OK then, hifiguy Aug 2015 #25

The most dangerous among us are the godly. snort Aug 2015 #190

these men need to suffer NOW-not some time in the future. riversedge Aug 2015 #8

why is it our problem? 6chars Aug 2015 #283

Someone ought to tell someone so Yupster Aug 2015 #9

as horrible as it is, I have a feeling it will be used as propaganda for more war Fast Walker 52 Aug 2015 #175

And that is as far as it will go. jwirr Aug 2015 #212

*sob eom artislife Aug 2015 #10

We caused this or Bush and his oil buddies did. Cleita Aug 2015 #11

Sorry, but men who rape little girls are responsible for their own behavior. End of story. Coventina Aug 2015 #28

Thank you. n/t JTFrog Aug 2015 #54

I think I said that. Or doesn't police action from the UN, Interpol and any Cleita Aug 2015 #65

No, you said "We caused this or Bush and his oil buddies did" cleanhippie Aug 2015 #113

So Bush and Cheney are now blameless for creating this Cleita Aug 2015 #135

Lol cleanhippie Aug 2015 #138

Great point. There is NO justification for this. NONE. Yavin4 Aug 2015 #74

Yup. Agschmid Aug 2015 #130

Rape is also a weapon of war Facility Inspector Aug 2015 #191

I am 100% in favor of prosecuting the Bush administation for war crimes. Coventina Aug 2015 #197

I don't think anyone is saying that these sickos should be exempt from prosecution... harrose Aug 2015 #198

That wouldn't stand up under any rule of law. An accomplice has to be a knowing participant in the Coventina Aug 2015 #200

I don't think anyone is saying that Facility Inspector Aug 2015 #202

It's getting pretty close to giving ISIS a pass when a rape is labeled as the fault of the US. Coventina Aug 2015 #205

+1000 smirkymonkey Aug 2015 #237

Fuck no we didn't. no one made these men do this. cali Aug 2015 #31

Do not forget that the norms of a culture setup the "o.k signal" to rape children AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #66

I heard they are trying to use robotic jockeys now, Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #104

That is just sick! smirkymonkey Aug 2015 #238

Read my post carefully. I don't think I said that. Cleita Aug 2015 #70

Yes but if it wasn't us this would have happened eventually anyway. Alittleliberal Aug 2015 #80

If you think this has only been going on for 700 years, Cleita Aug 2015 #84

I don't. Alittleliberal Aug 2015 #86

You said that exactly. "We caused this or Bush and his oil buddies did" cleanhippie Aug 2015 #114

But did I say that we forced them to commit these acts? That is the accusation. Cleita Aug 2015 #134

So when you said "We caused this or Bush and his oil buddies did", just what did we or Bush cause? cleanhippie Aug 2015 #137

Saddam had these trible factions under control. Cleita Aug 2015 #139

The bush and cheney wars destablized the entire ME. Once destablized jwirr Aug 2015 #221

OK...who's going to go into ISIS territory and arrest them? davidn3600 Aug 2015 #149

Now you get it. Yeah. Nice little mess Bushie and his oil buddies created. Cleita Aug 2015 #152

Actually I think the world's philosophy is..."You broke it, so you fix it." davidn3600 Aug 2015 #155

A very fair and pertinent question, that. nt hifiguy Aug 2015 #158

BS, this shit has been going on for centuries and happens in other parts of the world JI7 Aug 2015 #151

American is not responsible for all evil in the world Democat Aug 2015 #165

Wrong. They are responsible for much of it. Read Noam Chomsky sometime on Vietnam. Cleita Aug 2015 #204

We can argue parts of what Chomsky believes we are responsible for, but in the M.E. we ARE stevenleser Aug 2015 #220

It is comparable because that is from the old testament. alphafemale Aug 2015 #12

[citation needed] NT NiceTryGuy Aug 2015 #13

OK alphafemale Aug 2015 #16

Child rape isn't from the old Testament. But this is 2015. Please show me a single Jewish pnwmom Aug 2015 #14

Please show me where the old testament provides bvf Aug 2015 #20

Why would it? It's just a collection of stories. But no one in 2015 is using the old testament pnwmom Aug 2015 #24

A lot of people take such shit literally. bvf Aug 2015 #57

Most Christians no longer believe stuff like that is applicable. Noid Aug 2015 #64

This "stuff" remains part of the canon. bvf Aug 2015 #73

And as long as its there someone will pick it up hifiguy Aug 2015 #83

No, but they're all followers of Muhammad. Noid Aug 2015 #87

Welcome to DU! bvf Aug 2015 #93

please point out any Jewish or Christian group using the old testament to cali Aug 2015 #41

Is this crap any different? bvf Aug 2015 #49

Yes melman Aug 2015 #63

Do you really want to argue what is bvf Aug 2015 #79

I'm hardly pro Christian melman Aug 2015 #82

So, bvf Aug 2015 #88

No melman Aug 2015 #94

This thread is about religious extremism. bvf Aug 2015 #102

I'm waiting. Where are your examples of a Christian government doing this? pnwmom Aug 2015 #100

One reason he/she can't is that no country has a Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #112

Big, major fail. bvf Aug 2015 #127

Being based on Judeo/Christian principles doesn't mean that we have pnwmom Aug 2015 #156

Yes. Please show a current example of organized Christians controlling territory pnwmom Aug 2015 #99

Thought you'd never ask. bvf Aug 2015 #116

He is an individual pastor and doing a terrible thing. But he doesn't control any country pnwmom Aug 2015 #120

Does your congressperson "control" a territory? bvf Aug 2015 #132

No. And it's not a matter of semantics. You are trivializing what ISIS is doing now, pnwmom Aug 2015 #141

What would you call what settlers bvf Aug 2015 #147

This is 2015, not 1615. Guess you haven't figured that out. n/t pnwmom Aug 2015 #148

I won't waste any time bvf Aug 2015 #153

That's exactly where you are -- justifying slavery in 2015 because it was practiced here pnwmom Aug 2015 #154

He's a lunatic and if he or his followers did that they'd go to prison. They control no territory. pnwmom Aug 2015 #98

That's what I said. n/t pnwmom Aug 2015 #97

More of Islamic culture take ALL those laws literally more tha others. alphafemale Aug 2015 #22

American soldiers are not part of a systematic, codified, legal rape of anyone, pnwmom Aug 2015 #27

This seems to fit here.... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2015 #32

That is great. alphafemale Aug 2015 #71

Better be careful or you'll get Sioux'ed. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2015 #267

Brilliant. smirkymonkey Aug 2015 #240

No one is arguing against you. Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #266

It is interesting most people don't know most of Islam's most brutal things are from the OT. alphafemale Aug 2015 #269

Islam respects the OT but does not follow it. Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #271

Not excusing anyone. alphafemale Aug 2015 #272

It may not be Jewish or Christian culture per se unapatriciated Aug 2015 #50

Sex trafficking is a terrible thing wherever it occurs. But the scale and the genocidal aspect pnwmom Aug 2015 #157

Thank you. Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #168

Frustrating, isn't it? smirkymonkey Aug 2015 #247

What you don't hear liberals say/ Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #263

So true. Very sad, isn't it. smirkymonkey Aug 2015 #265

They didn't say people were heeding those bible verses, just that those verses exist. arcane1 Aug 2015 #62

Uhm, the Quiverfull movement? cleanhippie Aug 2015 #118

Yes. The Quiverful movement - Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #169

Just what am I deflecting from? cleanhippie Aug 2015 #186

False equivalency. Not even close. smirkymonkey Aug 2015 #252

And saying "It's from the OT" accomplishes what, Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #171

Wondering if that was her motivation Duppers Aug 2015 #241

I think most of us accept what's all around us. Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #264

OFGS. Whatever is in the OT, try looking at ACTIONS NOW, TODAY, IN THE 21st C. WinkyDink Aug 2015 #183

I won't watch. Thanks for the warning. nt elias49 Aug 2015 #17

"Horrifying beyond belief" hifiguy Aug 2015 #18

And people get flamed here on DU for criticizing Islamic customs. Binkie The Clown Aug 2015 #19

These are the actions of fanatics. Comrade Grumpy Aug 2015 #35

What they are, is perverts. John Poet Aug 2015 #43

Religion has caused so many terrible things! Nt Logical Aug 2015 #21

And will continue to do so. Juicy_Bellows Aug 2015 #23

+1000 nt Logical Aug 2015 #26

And yet, bvf Aug 2015 #67

Yep. Juicy_Bellows Aug 2015 #68

Post removed Post removed Aug 2015 #29

I have no words to describe how much I hate the religion that not only tolerates, but prescribes LiberalAndProud Aug 2015 #30

"Those who can make you believe absurdities, hifiguy Aug 2015 #34

Rips your soul apart.... V0ltairesGh0st Aug 2015 #37

Cenk Uygur retracts some of that story: her parents refused the offer, & she wasn't killed Demit Aug 2015 #121

Cenk only got part of it right. LiberalAndProud Aug 2015 #291

I have seen that before. I didn't know she was killed. smirkymonkey Aug 2015 #254

Seriously? You want to call them sick deranged f$%ks giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #33

I am sure that would be a great comfort hifiguy Aug 2015 #40

It's not all Muslims, why is that so hard to grasp? giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #45

No and not all christians are fundy lunatics either hifiguy Aug 2015 #60

It's not true she was killed. LiberalAndProud Aug 2015 #61

That is the only good thing in this thread. nt hifiguy Aug 2015 #81

Thank Dog! smirkymonkey Aug 2015 #255

I completely agreed with our going into the FLDS and prosecuting those people. pnwmom Aug 2015 #111

Well it looks like we'll be sending troops back so there's giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #119

You're the one "broad brushing a huge swath" of people because I didn't say anything about Muslims. pnwmom Aug 2015 #123

I'm sorry you posted an entire OP that essentially states giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #128

ISIS is taking its ideas from ITS particular interpretation of the Quran. pnwmom Aug 2015 #159

It is partly about Islam'a insistence on hanging on to Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #268

Is Muhammad the perfect man? sub.theory Aug 2015 #222

Well the quran does say that sex with slave Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #233

This isn't even about religion. It is about a serial rapist psychopath using religion world wide wally Aug 2015 #36

Absolutely right. eom John Poet Aug 2015 #44

Thank you, but then again if you do that the weekly giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #46

Wishful thinking sub.theory Aug 2015 #58

I think they do it in order to satisfy their pathologies as much as thinking they are "serving God" world wide wally Aug 2015 #144

Control of women is at the very heart and purpose of the three Abrahamic monotheisms. Arugula Latte Aug 2015 #103

Thank you, A.L. Duppers Aug 2015 #242

ISIS considers it halal in their version of Islam Facility Inspector Aug 2015 #315

Sick fucks. blackspade Aug 2015 #38

But they cite the justifications for this, hifiguy Aug 2015 #42

They're book of fairytales is just cover for.... blackspade Aug 2015 #92

I was in West Africa in the 70's and was shocked by the way women were treated. jalan48 Aug 2015 #39

Weird, my boyfriend is Muslim & I would beat his giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #47

Good for you. Unfortunately, sometimes it takes that to get a person's attention. jalan48 Aug 2015 #51

But it doesn't, that's the problem. giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #53

Racism I would say. My dentist is Iranian and one of the kindest people I have ever met. jalan48 Aug 2015 #59

Where's the stereotyping? melman Aug 2015 #75

Move back to his homeland with him pscot Aug 2015 #95

Really, wtf would we do that? giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #96

Who other than you is saying this is all Muslims? whatthehey Aug 2015 #107

Did you read the fuckin OP title? giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #109

The fucking one that says fucking "ISIS" not fucking "All Muslims" for fuck's sake? whatthehey Aug 2015 #173

+100 Duppers Aug 2015 #244

Thank YOU! smirkymonkey Aug 2015 #257

Islam teaches what it teaches. Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #181

And I would explain to your boyfriend that it is the text I argue with, not him. LiberalAndProud Aug 2015 #85

As an atheist, I think it's not so much that they ignore them, but mythology Aug 2015 #126

I would not have a problem with any of what you're saying, LiberalAndProud Aug 2015 #136

I think that's great - Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #180

Many, many decades ago I Duppers Aug 2015 #243

The 70's is your base for your opinion? It is 2015 now.... Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #52

Judging from the OP, it would seem not much has changed... Marengo Aug 2015 #77

"West Africa" is ISIS controlled?? Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #108

Domestic violence is biggest threat to west Africa's women, IRC says progressoid Aug 2015 #296

Absolute evil sub.theory Aug 2015 #48

Right you are. MBS Aug 2015 #166

Wordless rage. Brickbat Aug 2015 #55

Someone tell me what Islam offers women. Feeling the Bern Aug 2015 #56

and yet Muslims are the ones fighting ISIS MisterP Aug 2015 #69

First tell me what Republicans offer women. Nt. Juicy_Bellows Aug 2015 #72

Brainwashing, subjugation, pain, repression, and stupid mythology. Arugula Latte Aug 2015 #105

Bravo!! Bravissimo!! hifiguy Aug 2015 #160

... Arugula Latte Aug 2015 #234

You can't understand it unless you have nothing else to cling onto LittleBlue Aug 2015 #117

How come so many recruits are from middle class western backgrounds then? sub.theory Aug 2015 #133

Maybe because they feel powerless in some way and this ideology promises them smirkymonkey Aug 2015 #258

What does Catholocism offer women? What do ANY of the patriarical religions offer women? cleanhippie Aug 2015 #122

This is about ISIS, not the Muslims or the Catholics or the Jews. ISIS is the only government pnwmom Aug 2015 #125

Lol. For you perhaps it's only about ISIS. cleanhippie Aug 2015 #131

We are discussing the OP yeoman6987 Aug 2015 #140

This being your first response to this thread, you're discussing what I'm discussing. cleanhippie Aug 2015 #184

Converts will say things like, Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #235

Maybe ask the female adherents of those religions. n/t Comrade Grumpy Aug 2015 #292

If there were any justice in this world... GaYellowDawg Aug 2015 #76

Sick animals, AuntPatsy Aug 2015 #78

Yeah, I read that earlier today.... Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #89

This is, of course, very horrible, Blue_In_AK Aug 2015 #90

If that story had been the OP melman Aug 2015 #106

My point is, as I said, Blue_In_AK Aug 2015 #110

The OP was about ISIS, not Islam, so it has nothing to do with islamophobia. pnwmom Aug 2015 #162

ISIS is practicing genocide of the Yazidis in a large section of Iraq. How is that in any way pnwmom Aug 2015 #163

The difference being: EX500rider Aug 2015 #309

sick bastards niyad Aug 2015 #91

I think it was David Niven who told this story gordianot Aug 2015 #101

F***ing cowards. Could there possibly be any weaker men in the world? smirkymonkey Aug 2015 #259

Now, I hate to say... roscoeroscoe Aug 2015 #115

Then sign up philosslayer Aug 2015 #142

20 years Army, still serving roscoeroscoe Aug 2015 #287

for shame 6chars Aug 2015 #285

No other topic melman Aug 2015 #124

I think some people actually enjoy the fact that no group of people put "women in their place" smirkymonkey Aug 2015 #260

Iraq has to be a hellhole, but hey you know all that 'rose petals at the feet of liberators' stuff. Rex Aug 2015 #129

but...but I was just told the rapists are solely responsible for the Cleita Aug 2015 #145

Yeah I saw that, until I joined DU I had no idea there were supposed progressives Rex Aug 2015 #172

Just saw what you went through, Cleita. senz Aug 2015 #275

Don't worry about it. I'm made of tough stuff. Cleita Aug 2015 #277

Well then, may your stuff stay tough (lol don't try to say that) senz Aug 2015 #278

.. Cleita Aug 2015 #280

And it's great that you're for Bernie too. senz Aug 2015 #286

I cant think of anything it's comparable too JackInGreen Aug 2015 #143

I heard they pulled babies out of incubators & left them on the floor U4ikLefty Aug 2015 #146

We have real evidence and testimony this time. Western powers aren't itching to invade, either. So WinkyDink Aug 2015 #185

No attempt...I don't buy the propaganda. U4ikLefty Aug 2015 #250

Why do you feel the need to be snarky about a serious Duppers Aug 2015 #245

True. War-mongering propaganda is a serious problem. U4ikLefty Aug 2015 #251

that's why all these fucking losers are going there to join ISIS JI7 Aug 2015 #150

Well this thread turned out about what I would expect davidn3600 Aug 2015 #161

the real question is what can we possibly do to stop this? Fast Walker 52 Aug 2015 #176

Perhaps it is our own behavior in the world that prevents us from stopping it Oilwellian Aug 2015 #208

I agree.... the plutocracy promotes evil like this and needs to go Fast Walker 52 Aug 2015 #219

as i remember questionseverything Aug 2015 #225

how about a petition? 6chars Aug 2015 #289

+1. But no - this has nothing to do with Islam Oneironaut Aug 2015 #211

Agreed. It sets up the culture. nt Duppers Aug 2015 #248

I'll never understand the support here for one of the most anti-progressive idealogies on Earth sub.theory Aug 2015 #213

I think it has to do with being seen as a third world religion Ex Lurker Aug 2015 #239

Great post. Duppers Aug 2015 #262

Marvelous post. hifiguy Aug 2015 #314

Back! BACK, I SAY! Back to the 8th century where you belong! There is no room here in the future A HERETIC I AM Aug 2015 #164

Plying the minions with easy access to sex. Slavery. Ad-Daesh is so perverse. n/t Betty Karlson Aug 2015 #170

of course it's horrible! But the question is what do we do? Fast Walker 52 Aug 2015 #174

Animals; I cannot consider these things as humans, as they have no humanity in them. CanonRay Aug 2015 #177

men always seem to find authoritative rationalization for rape librechik Aug 2015 #178

always thought this was the true purpose of war. mopinko Aug 2015 #179

I always thought land ownership was, with rape as a bonus. WinkyDink Aug 2015 #187

easy conclusion to come to, but mopinko Aug 2015 #188

From the "Obligatory Comment" Dept: "All religions are bad." "Obligatory Corollary": "Abrahamic." WinkyDink Aug 2015 #182

this defines why the left should not be soft on Islamism ericson00 Aug 2015 #196

Oh bigotry thy name is misdirected outrage, Isis isn't Islam. Rep Ellison is a fine american Exultant Democracy Aug 2015 #294

It's not misdirected outrage. progressoid Aug 2015 #297

I wasn't responding to you bucko, none the less blanket statements about a group Exultant Democracy Aug 2015 #299

That's the funny thing about these discussion boards progressoid Aug 2015 #301

It is only bigotry. Exultant Democracy Aug 2015 #302

Good to know. progressoid Aug 2015 #304

" Maybe when I'm done, I'll be a better bigot." Not saying you are an asshole bigot, but in general Exultant Democracy Aug 2015 #305

Recruits just the sort of fighters they want One_Life_To_Give Aug 2015 #201

K & R for exposure. nt SunSeeker Aug 2015 #214

Tell that to the little 12 year old mormon being sold to her great uncle as a sex slave Exultant Democracy Aug 2015 #215

Not important. That does not smear Islam; therefore, it's not a story. closeupready Aug 2015 #227

The actions of ISIS do not smear ISLAM anymore than the actions of the FLDS pnwmom Aug 2015 #229

Technically, Sunni is the sect. ISIS is the purifying subsect of the Sunni. ancianita Aug 2015 #307

My comments here aren't so much about YOU closeupready Aug 2015 #318

it isn't sanctioned by the government. where is Warren Jeffs? cali Aug 2015 #246

So you recognize Isis as a government? Embarrassing that you want to Exultant Democracy Aug 2015 #288

call it whatever you wish, the reality is that it is the controlling authority for millions. cali Aug 2015 #290

so raping kids if your Muslim is worse than Christian rape because Exultant Democracy Aug 2015 #293

it's worse when it is official policy. cali Aug 2015 #295

It is the official policy of the FLDS mormons, therefor you should agree it's basically the same? Exultant Democracy Aug 2015 #298

I find child rape repulsive wherever it is found. The Catholic church is no better. LiberalAndProud Aug 2015 #300

Shoot I forgot all about the Jehovah's some sick shit coming out recently. Exultant Democracy Aug 2015 #303

And yet, myself, Bain'sBane, and others have attempted to shed light on slavery closeupready Aug 2015 #226

This is about genocide and modern slavery and ISIS -- not Muslims in general. pnwmom Aug 2015 #228

Modern slavery sucks. All brands of it. Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #270

the Quran not only gave him the right to rape her � it condoned and encouraged it recycled60 Aug 2015 #249

The father of this nightmare sulphurdunn Aug 2015 #253

Not surprised by the derailment. ProudToBeBlueInRhody Aug 2015 #256

Yep, very predictable Ex Lurker Aug 2015 #308

I'm Sorry folks after the Iraqi imthevicar Aug 2015 #261

It's horrific reading Dorian Gray Aug 2015 #273

Obama is enabling this by supporting ozone_man Aug 2015 #276

Wait: Saddam is being reimagines as a hero? Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #279

A barbarian able to control what we can't. ozone_man Aug 2015 #316

Agreed. But you realize you (and I) Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #317

Agreed. ozone_man Aug 2015 #319

There is a very sick tendency in human sexuality. senz Aug 2015 #282

I'm not interested in their culture or the differences discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2015 #312