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37. The it's not really "rape rape" argument

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Sat Aug 15, 2015, 10:56 AM

Aug 2015

Heard that one before.

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Sentence in student sex case shocks ex-teacher in Oklahoma [View all] NaturalHigh Aug 2015 OP

I'll be sure to shed a tear or two for someone who rapes 15-year-olds. Oneironaut Aug 2015 #1

I think that's a little harsh NobodyHere Aug 2015 #2

No we don't. pintobean Aug 2015 #4

What harm was done in this case? Was she forcing him into sex? NobodyHere Aug 2015 #6

This should never happen. pintobean Aug 2015 #12

No one brags about being a rape victim. DeadLetterOffice Aug 2015 #28

I've been in a similiar situation myself when I was a teen although the woman wasn't a teacher. NobodyHere Aug 2015 #32

I think I've read about that pintobean Aug 2015 #40

It sucks when PowerToThePeople Aug 2015 #47

lol. I agree with you pintobean Aug 2015 #50

that does not mean she should have done it treestar Aug 2015 #171

Child rape very often does not need physical force. Nye Bevan Aug 2015 #29

The Polanski defenders really piss me off. NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #31

Me too. Nye Bevan Aug 2015 #33

Oh man did THAT case piss me off! SO many talking about "poor Roman". nt 7962 Aug 2015 #184

OMG don't get me started on them Recursion Aug 2015 #62

What the fuck is this shit right here? Brickbat Aug 2015 #42

Seriously Recursion Aug 2015 #64

What the actual fuck!!!!****!!!??? Recursion Aug 2015 #60

To the jurors that let this comment stand: fuck all of you Recursion Aug 2015 #67

Whether or not it gets hidden, it's a brave post. NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #68

+100 DashOneBravo Aug 2015 #71

Thanks. Just had to get that off my chest (nt) Recursion Aug 2015 #73

Thanks. n/t lumberjack_jeff Aug 2015 #77

Good for you for speaking up. Posts minimizing child abuse are what should be hidden. n/t prayin4rain Aug 2015 #93

+1 demmiblue Aug 2015 #132

+1000 Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #148

I wouldn't vote to hide it treestar Aug 2015 #172

She pled guilty to forcible sodomy. Yo_Mama Aug 2015 #80

That might explain the longer sentence treestar Aug 2015 #173

Wow, you are one sicko! Nt Logical Aug 2015 #137

disgusting remark: what harm did she do? she raped him. roguevalley Aug 2015 #159

You're a real fucking piece of work. nt awoke_in_2003 Aug 2015 #160

You are way, way off base here. Many years ago I had a stepson who, at age 15, was Nay Aug 2015 #183

Your comment is proof of the profound effect it has had on your life and thought process. NCTraveler Aug 2015 #218

Nobody Here, eh? dixiegrrrrl Aug 2015 #224

+10 840high Aug 2015 #83

We needs to lighten up on non-violent drug crime penalties. NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #5

I agree EL34x4 Aug 2015 #43

Agreed NobodyHere Aug 2015 #44

same attitude qazplm Aug 2015 #84

15 year olds can consent to sex with other 15 year olds. Give some leeway for age mythology Aug 2015 #106

I agree that it is long for power disproportionate rape of either a boy or a girl. BUT Chemisse Aug 2015 #143

Yeah, we really need to ease up on pedophiles Recursion Aug 2015 #56

For rape? tazkcmo Aug 2015 #69

No, rape is rape. irisblue Aug 2015 #74

This message was self-deleted by its author Freelancer Aug 2015 #95

the power inbalance between the 15yr old & the teacher is wrong. period. irisblue Aug 2015 #96

This message was self-deleted by its author Freelancer Aug 2015 #100

Have you ever even heard of grooming? sub.theory Aug 2015 #99

This message was self-deleted by its author Freelancer Aug 2015 #103

No way. Not buying it. sub.theory Aug 2015 #107

I'm right, but I accept that there's no point in arguing with you. Bye bye! Freelancer Aug 2015 #116

No, doing 10 years for stealing a soda while black at 7-11 is harsh- This POS needs more years snooper2 Aug 2015 #212

Er, no. ladyVet Aug 2015 #223

Harsh sentence. But still: Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2015 #3

Not harsh at all mercuryblues Aug 2015 #7

but not in keeping with other recent cases Blue_Adept Aug 2015 #19

that is far mercuryblues Aug 2015 #109

The problem I have with this sentence is that some similar perps get probation, let alone less time. WinkyDink Aug 2015 #8

That's true of any crime though. Chan790 Aug 2015 #49

Seems harsh to me but of course, I don't know the circumstances. My first few times.. BlueJazz Aug 2015 #9

I see your point but 16-23... NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #10

Yeah...that's true. BlueJazz Aug 2015 #11

The article says she was 25 at the time Blue_Adept Aug 2015 #18

True, Nash got off way too easy. NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #23

It's the violation of trust and athority when it's a teacher Lee-Lee Aug 2015 #14

Except that was only statutory rape Quantess Aug 2015 #15

That's the proverbial horse of a different color. BlueJazz Aug 2015 #16

Could be, but it may not have been a mutual thing... Quantess Aug 2015 #21

I meant that if it was a forced action then that's the Horse of a ...etc. BlueJazz Aug 2015 #24

Statutory rape is still rape. yellowcanine Aug 2015 #25

This message was self-deleted by its author EL34x4 Aug 2015 #48

You do understand there being a factual difference... Chan790 Aug 2015 #51

At fifteen, EL34x4 Aug 2015 #59

But she didn't because she was law abiding treestar Aug 2015 #175

Statutory rape is by definition a violent crime? Comrade Grumpy Aug 2015 #52

Yes, sexual assault is a violent crime. Statutory rape is sexual assault. yellowcanine Aug 2015 #157

The it's not really "rape rape" argument sub.theory Aug 2015 #37

It's no less disgusting... Chan790 Aug 2015 #53

Complete agreement sub.theory Aug 2015 #92

You think a guy hiding in the bushes with a knife EL34x4 Aug 2015 #146

Of course they are. The first is the rapist, the second is the raped. uppityperson Aug 2015 #149

there's a difference, but to the victim treestar Aug 2015 #177

Well, that's why we distinguish between adults who have the legal capacity to consent KittyWampus Aug 2015 #125

Of course, what you say is true. From what I've read, males minds are not fully formed until ... BlueJazz Aug 2015 #153

She should still have gone treestar Aug 2015 #174

I'm wondering if the sentence is any more LuvNewcastle Aug 2015 #13

Other examples cited in the article Blue_Adept Aug 2015 #17

What I meant was, what if she had been LuvNewcastle Aug 2015 #26

You can find an example or two of this mythology Aug 2015 #215

That's all well and nice Blue_Adept Aug 2015 #217

Ex-teacher freed after serving 30 days for child rape Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #20

As I recall, the state appealed the sentence and won. NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #22

The prosecution cannot appeal any criminal-court decision in the U.S. WinkyDink Aug 2015 #75

Ex-teacher resentenced to prison. NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #78

1. The accused had already been convicted. 2. The judge made egregious anti-victim remarks. 3. No WinkyDink Aug 2015 #211

They appealed the sentence (the defendant plead guilty). n/t PoliticAverse Aug 2015 #205

'The judge said... that Moralez seemed "older than her chronological age."' yellowcanine Aug 2015 #27

You keep citing that one case where the judge's sentence was illegal.... davidn3600 Aug 2015 #145

I refer you back to my note in my last line. Have a nice day. Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #147

Lots of times child rape is treated as a bit of a joke when the rapist is female. Nye Bevan Aug 2015 #30

Ain't that the truth (nt) Recursion Aug 2015 #65

Harsh?! sub.theory Aug 2015 #34

She - the teacher is a woman. NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #38

Thanks sub.theory Aug 2015 #39

Agreed. NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #41

Some of the responses on this Skidmore Aug 2015 #35

Ridicolous kcjohn1 Aug 2015 #36

Congratulations! You've won yourself a Forever Ignore! nt valerief Aug 2015 #170

Maybe don't fuck children then, Asswipe? Iggo Aug 2015 #45

As a society, we've gone from ignoring it... lumberjack_jeff Aug 2015 #46

This whole notion that teens are children EL34x4 Aug 2015 #54

So do girls, but that's really immaterial. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2015 #57

"Grownups decide what juveniles are allowed to do" Android3.14 Aug 2015 #105

The key word is "allowed" lumberjack_jeff Aug 2015 #115

"Having sex with a kid violates grownup responsibility." NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #141

Able to hold two opposing ideas in mind at the same. Time, are we? lostnfound Aug 2015 #162

OMFG, two different but consistent views? joshcryer Aug 2015 #167

Fine, then let them have sex with other teens. Don't let the adults go after them. Yo_Mama Aug 2015 #82

"That doesn't mean it should be legal for the adults to exploit them." NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #88

Worse yet, proper development basically requires that kids make these stupid decisions Yo_Mama Aug 2015 #91

Would you still feel that way? sub.theory Aug 2015 #90

No, I wouldn't feel that way EL34x4 Aug 2015 #101

You may not be a conservative sub.theory Aug 2015 #102

You're absolutely right, you need to be tombstoned. pintobean Aug 2015 #104

Then go for it. EL34x4 Aug 2015 #113

We get it sub.theory Aug 2015 #118

Oh, good grief. EL34x4 Aug 2015 #120

Not my call pintobean Aug 2015 #129

Sure you can. EL34x4 Aug 2015 #131

Nobody denies that boys and girls are different. NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #108

So, back to the OP? EL34x4 Aug 2015 #110

I frankly don't find it unreasonable. NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #112

Does spending a decade in prison for a non-violent crime ever fix the problem? EL34x4 Aug 2015 #114

It depends on your definition of violence. NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #117

I'm not the father of daughters. EL34x4 Aug 2015 #119

Fortunately the law isn't quite so clueless. NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #121

Fair enough. EL34x4 Aug 2015 #122

Yes. NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #123

Seriously? EL34x4 Aug 2015 #126

Seriously... NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #128

I asked you a simple question EL34x4 Aug 2015 #130

I can walk and chew bubble gum at the same time. NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #133

OK, NaturalHigh EL34x4 Aug 2015 #135

"Are you sure you're at the right forum?" NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #139

Who cares? EL34x4 Aug 2015 #140

Fair enough. No point in any further discussion. NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #142

How many times in these forums? pintobean Aug 2015 #154

You are positively revolting. a la izquierda Aug 2015 #185

A boy can't be raped but a girl can? Seriously? uppityperson Aug 2015 #150

Girls Like and Want Sex Too erpowers Aug 2015 #156

Maybe not as liberals can be sexists treestar Aug 2015 #178

That was wrong treestar Aug 2015 #176

I think I agree with this the most. joshcryer Aug 2015 #166

10 years for child rape is indeed shocking Recursion Aug 2015 #55

A 15-year old male isn't a child (EOM) EL34x4 Aug 2015 #127

It's always interesting to see who supports pintobean Aug 2015 #58

Technically this is not pedophilia. TM99 Aug 2015 #66

You're right. EL34x4 Aug 2015 #138

Ephebophilia is against the law too treestar Aug 2015 #179

I correct the person who said it was pedophilia TM99 Aug 2015 #182

Probably wouldn't have been as long a sentence madville Aug 2015 #61

That's quite possible. NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #63

Post removed Post removed Aug 2015 #70

Do you have kids? NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #72

Let me guess LittleBlue Aug 2015 #76

Okay. NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #79

Sorry LittleBlue Aug 2015 #86

These things are not victimless crimes. How can you take this position? Yo_Mama Aug 2015 #85

It is so subjective LittleBlue Aug 2015 #94

This message was self-deleted by its author RandiFan1290 Aug 2015 #164

"Victimless"??? Recursion Aug 2015 #87

I was 9 when my teacher told me she loved me, and that I was a real man Recursion Aug 2015 #89

Oh really? sub.theory Aug 2015 #97

Wow, just fucking wow, what the fuck is wrong with you? n/t Humanist_Activist Aug 2015 #98

What a disgusting reply. Surely not surprising coming from you, but all the same disgusting. JTFrog Aug 2015 #124

Should have thought about that before she raped her student. BainsBane Aug 2015 #81

Too many posts MsTanja Aug 2015 #111

exactly mercuryblues Aug 2015 #134

Agree gollygee Aug 2015 #136

what you say may all be true for 8-year-olds reorg Aug 2015 #169

Describing him as flirting and hopping over the fence treestar Aug 2015 #180

no, it appears to be factual reorg Aug 2015 #188

She did commit rape treestar Aug 2015 #190

No, that's one of your misleading talking points reorg Aug 2015 #192

Second degree rape is rape treestar Aug 2015 #193

"If you're an adult stick with adults. It can't be that hard." NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #194

It's not about being 'complicated' reorg Aug 2015 #200

It's absolutely reasonable to assume that we walk different paths, reorg. NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #201

you ever notice you are always on the wrong side of every issue? snooper2 Aug 2015 #213

funny reorg Aug 2015 #214

People walk different paths... sometimes those paths are in direct conflict with established law LanternWaste Aug 2015 #219

Let's posit you're a boy of eighteen years, travelling reorg Aug 2015 #221

not the common definition reorg Aug 2015 #195

Where is it not a crime... NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #196

look up the age-of-consent laws reorg Aug 2015 #199

Switch the genders and people here wouldn't think the punishment is enough davidn3600 Aug 2015 #144

I was just thinking the exact same thing. LisaL Aug 2015 #151

Undoubtedly true. NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #163

I think there are a couple of points that should be made here lumberjack_jeff Aug 2015 #152

"Children"...Letourneau's rape of Vili Fualaau produced two baby girls... countryjake Aug 2015 #158

Were you just talking about this beautiful couple? reorg Aug 2015 #202

Nothing wrong with a 34 yr old having sex with a 12 yr old? countryjake Aug 2015 #203

I understood your post as being concerned reorg Aug 2015 #204

They look to be about 13. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2015 #207

"Beautiful couple"? The person on the right is a rapist, and the person on the left is the victim. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2015 #206

beautiful as in pretty and happy reorg Aug 2015 #220

boys and girls are talked to differently about it treestar Aug 2015 #181

I'm in a fairly good position to know what boys think, having the advantage of having been one. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2015 #208

Well I thought I explained why treestar Aug 2015 #209

Now that I think about it, I was 17. We are 27 months apart in age. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2015 #216

Did she change his grades or present a favoritism due to the relationship? JanMichael Aug 2015 #155

I know the rules limit the OP to 4 paragraphs, but I'll add a few more of interest davidpdx Aug 2015 #161

Yes. Anyone in that level of denial about their crimes is a narcissist. NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #165

She didn't force him to kiss her nationalize the fed Aug 2015 #168

Bullshit. Women who commit statutory rape get cushy tv interviews. Orrex Aug 2015 #189

No, since this woman is going to jail treestar Aug 2015 #210

The law, yes, but society treats women differently Orrex Aug 2015 #222

I'm not willing to sit through an hour of Dr. Phil... NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #191

I can't manage to muster up much sympathy over this. Crunchy Frog Aug 2015 #186

That's my opinion on the whole thing. NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #187

Our "justice" system is plagued by a.... sendero Aug 2015 #197

"Bottom line, don't rape youngsters and you won't go to jail for doing that." NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #198