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Comrade Grumpy

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52. Statutory rape is by definition a violent crime?

Sat Aug 15, 2015, 12:15 PM

Aug 2015

I don't think so, or the "by definition" is one of the definitions that seek to redefine reality.

Statutory rape is consensual sex with someone who, by law, cannot consent. That doesn't mean they don't consent in the real world, it just means they cannot legally consent.

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Sentence in student sex case shocks ex-teacher in Oklahoma [View all] NaturalHigh Aug 2015 OP

I'll be sure to shed a tear or two for someone who rapes 15-year-olds. Oneironaut Aug 2015 #1

I think that's a little harsh NobodyHere Aug 2015 #2

No we don't. pintobean Aug 2015 #4

What harm was done in this case? Was she forcing him into sex? NobodyHere Aug 2015 #6

This should never happen. pintobean Aug 2015 #12

No one brags about being a rape victim. DeadLetterOffice Aug 2015 #28

I've been in a similiar situation myself when I was a teen although the woman wasn't a teacher. NobodyHere Aug 2015 #32

I think I've read about that pintobean Aug 2015 #40

It sucks when PowerToThePeople Aug 2015 #47

lol. I agree with you pintobean Aug 2015 #50

that does not mean she should have done it treestar Aug 2015 #171

Child rape very often does not need physical force. Nye Bevan Aug 2015 #29

The Polanski defenders really piss me off. NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #31

Me too. Nye Bevan Aug 2015 #33

Oh man did THAT case piss me off! SO many talking about "poor Roman". nt 7962 Aug 2015 #184

OMG don't get me started on them Recursion Aug 2015 #62

What the fuck is this shit right here? Brickbat Aug 2015 #42

Seriously Recursion Aug 2015 #64

What the actual fuck!!!!****!!!??? Recursion Aug 2015 #60

To the jurors that let this comment stand: fuck all of you Recursion Aug 2015 #67

Whether or not it gets hidden, it's a brave post. NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #68

+100 DashOneBravo Aug 2015 #71

Thanks. Just had to get that off my chest (nt) Recursion Aug 2015 #73

Thanks. n/t lumberjack_jeff Aug 2015 #77

Good for you for speaking up. Posts minimizing child abuse are what should be hidden. n/t prayin4rain Aug 2015 #93

+1 demmiblue Aug 2015 #132

+1000 Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #148

I wouldn't vote to hide it treestar Aug 2015 #172

She pled guilty to forcible sodomy. Yo_Mama Aug 2015 #80

That might explain the longer sentence treestar Aug 2015 #173

Wow, you are one sicko! Nt Logical Aug 2015 #137

disgusting remark: what harm did she do? she raped him. roguevalley Aug 2015 #159

You're a real fucking piece of work. nt awoke_in_2003 Aug 2015 #160

You are way, way off base here. Many years ago I had a stepson who, at age 15, was Nay Aug 2015 #183

Your comment is proof of the profound effect it has had on your life and thought process. NCTraveler Aug 2015 #218

Nobody Here, eh? dixiegrrrrl Aug 2015 #224

+10 840high Aug 2015 #83

We needs to lighten up on non-violent drug crime penalties. NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #5

I agree EL34x4 Aug 2015 #43

Agreed NobodyHere Aug 2015 #44

same attitude qazplm Aug 2015 #84

15 year olds can consent to sex with other 15 year olds. Give some leeway for age mythology Aug 2015 #106

I agree that it is long for power disproportionate rape of either a boy or a girl. BUT Chemisse Aug 2015 #143

Yeah, we really need to ease up on pedophiles Recursion Aug 2015 #56

For rape? tazkcmo Aug 2015 #69

No, rape is rape. irisblue Aug 2015 #74

This message was self-deleted by its author Freelancer Aug 2015 #95

the power inbalance between the 15yr old & the teacher is wrong. period. irisblue Aug 2015 #96

This message was self-deleted by its author Freelancer Aug 2015 #100

Have you ever even heard of grooming? sub.theory Aug 2015 #99

This message was self-deleted by its author Freelancer Aug 2015 #103

No way. Not buying it. sub.theory Aug 2015 #107

I'm right, but I accept that there's no point in arguing with you. Bye bye! Freelancer Aug 2015 #116

No, doing 10 years for stealing a soda while black at 7-11 is harsh- This POS needs more years snooper2 Aug 2015 #212

Er, no. ladyVet Aug 2015 #223

Harsh sentence. But still: Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2015 #3

Not harsh at all mercuryblues Aug 2015 #7

but not in keeping with other recent cases Blue_Adept Aug 2015 #19

that is far mercuryblues Aug 2015 #109

The problem I have with this sentence is that some similar perps get probation, let alone less time. WinkyDink Aug 2015 #8

That's true of any crime though. Chan790 Aug 2015 #49

Seems harsh to me but of course, I don't know the circumstances. My first few times.. BlueJazz Aug 2015 #9

I see your point but 16-23... NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #10

Yeah...that's true. BlueJazz Aug 2015 #11

The article says she was 25 at the time Blue_Adept Aug 2015 #18

True, Nash got off way too easy. NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #23

It's the violation of trust and athority when it's a teacher Lee-Lee Aug 2015 #14

Except that was only statutory rape Quantess Aug 2015 #15

That's the proverbial horse of a different color. BlueJazz Aug 2015 #16

Could be, but it may not have been a mutual thing... Quantess Aug 2015 #21

I meant that if it was a forced action then that's the Horse of a ...etc. BlueJazz Aug 2015 #24

Statutory rape is still rape. yellowcanine Aug 2015 #25

This message was self-deleted by its author EL34x4 Aug 2015 #48

You do understand there being a factual difference... Chan790 Aug 2015 #51

At fifteen, EL34x4 Aug 2015 #59

But she didn't because she was law abiding treestar Aug 2015 #175

Statutory rape is by definition a violent crime? Comrade Grumpy Aug 2015 #52

Yes, sexual assault is a violent crime. Statutory rape is sexual assault. yellowcanine Aug 2015 #157

The it's not really "rape rape" argument sub.theory Aug 2015 #37

It's no less disgusting... Chan790 Aug 2015 #53

Complete agreement sub.theory Aug 2015 #92

You think a guy hiding in the bushes with a knife EL34x4 Aug 2015 #146

Of course they are. The first is the rapist, the second is the raped. uppityperson Aug 2015 #149

there's a difference, but to the victim treestar Aug 2015 #177

Well, that's why we distinguish between adults who have the legal capacity to consent KittyWampus Aug 2015 #125

Of course, what you say is true. From what I've read, males minds are not fully formed until ... BlueJazz Aug 2015 #153

She should still have gone treestar Aug 2015 #174

I'm wondering if the sentence is any more LuvNewcastle Aug 2015 #13

Other examples cited in the article Blue_Adept Aug 2015 #17

What I meant was, what if she had been LuvNewcastle Aug 2015 #26

You can find an example or two of this mythology Aug 2015 #215

That's all well and nice Blue_Adept Aug 2015 #217

Ex-teacher freed after serving 30 days for child rape Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #20

As I recall, the state appealed the sentence and won. NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #22

The prosecution cannot appeal any criminal-court decision in the U.S. WinkyDink Aug 2015 #75

Ex-teacher resentenced to prison. NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #78

1. The accused had already been convicted. 2. The judge made egregious anti-victim remarks. 3. No WinkyDink Aug 2015 #211

They appealed the sentence (the defendant plead guilty). n/t PoliticAverse Aug 2015 #205

'The judge said... that Moralez seemed "older than her chronological age."' yellowcanine Aug 2015 #27

You keep citing that one case where the judge's sentence was illegal.... davidn3600 Aug 2015 #145

I refer you back to my note in my last line. Have a nice day. Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #147

Lots of times child rape is treated as a bit of a joke when the rapist is female. Nye Bevan Aug 2015 #30

Ain't that the truth (nt) Recursion Aug 2015 #65

Harsh?! sub.theory Aug 2015 #34

She - the teacher is a woman. NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #38

Thanks sub.theory Aug 2015 #39

Agreed. NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #41

Some of the responses on this Skidmore Aug 2015 #35

Ridicolous kcjohn1 Aug 2015 #36

Congratulations! You've won yourself a Forever Ignore! nt valerief Aug 2015 #170

Maybe don't fuck children then, Asswipe? Iggo Aug 2015 #45

As a society, we've gone from ignoring it... lumberjack_jeff Aug 2015 #46

This whole notion that teens are children EL34x4 Aug 2015 #54

So do girls, but that's really immaterial. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2015 #57

"Grownups decide what juveniles are allowed to do" Android3.14 Aug 2015 #105

The key word is "allowed" lumberjack_jeff Aug 2015 #115

"Having sex with a kid violates grownup responsibility." NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #141

Able to hold two opposing ideas in mind at the same. Time, are we? lostnfound Aug 2015 #162

OMFG, two different but consistent views? joshcryer Aug 2015 #167

Fine, then let them have sex with other teens. Don't let the adults go after them. Yo_Mama Aug 2015 #82

"That doesn't mean it should be legal for the adults to exploit them." NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #88

Worse yet, proper development basically requires that kids make these stupid decisions Yo_Mama Aug 2015 #91

Would you still feel that way? sub.theory Aug 2015 #90

No, I wouldn't feel that way EL34x4 Aug 2015 #101

You may not be a conservative sub.theory Aug 2015 #102

You're absolutely right, you need to be tombstoned. pintobean Aug 2015 #104

Then go for it. EL34x4 Aug 2015 #113

We get it sub.theory Aug 2015 #118

Oh, good grief. EL34x4 Aug 2015 #120

Not my call pintobean Aug 2015 #129

Sure you can. EL34x4 Aug 2015 #131

Nobody denies that boys and girls are different. NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #108

So, back to the OP? EL34x4 Aug 2015 #110

I frankly don't find it unreasonable. NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #112

Does spending a decade in prison for a non-violent crime ever fix the problem? EL34x4 Aug 2015 #114

It depends on your definition of violence. NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #117

I'm not the father of daughters. EL34x4 Aug 2015 #119

Fortunately the law isn't quite so clueless. NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #121

Fair enough. EL34x4 Aug 2015 #122

Yes. NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #123

Seriously? EL34x4 Aug 2015 #126

Seriously... NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #128

I asked you a simple question EL34x4 Aug 2015 #130

I can walk and chew bubble gum at the same time. NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #133

OK, NaturalHigh EL34x4 Aug 2015 #135

"Are you sure you're at the right forum?" NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #139

Who cares? EL34x4 Aug 2015 #140

Fair enough. No point in any further discussion. NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #142

How many times in these forums? pintobean Aug 2015 #154

You are positively revolting. a la izquierda Aug 2015 #185

A boy can't be raped but a girl can? Seriously? uppityperson Aug 2015 #150

Girls Like and Want Sex Too erpowers Aug 2015 #156

Maybe not as liberals can be sexists treestar Aug 2015 #178

That was wrong treestar Aug 2015 #176

I think I agree with this the most. joshcryer Aug 2015 #166

10 years for child rape is indeed shocking Recursion Aug 2015 #55

A 15-year old male isn't a child (EOM) EL34x4 Aug 2015 #127

It's always interesting to see who supports pintobean Aug 2015 #58

Technically this is not pedophilia. TM99 Aug 2015 #66

You're right. EL34x4 Aug 2015 #138

Ephebophilia is against the law too treestar Aug 2015 #179

I correct the person who said it was pedophilia TM99 Aug 2015 #182

Probably wouldn't have been as long a sentence madville Aug 2015 #61

That's quite possible. NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #63

Post removed Post removed Aug 2015 #70

Do you have kids? NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #72

Let me guess LittleBlue Aug 2015 #76

Okay. NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #79

Sorry LittleBlue Aug 2015 #86

These things are not victimless crimes. How can you take this position? Yo_Mama Aug 2015 #85

It is so subjective LittleBlue Aug 2015 #94

This message was self-deleted by its author RandiFan1290 Aug 2015 #164

"Victimless"??? Recursion Aug 2015 #87

I was 9 when my teacher told me she loved me, and that I was a real man Recursion Aug 2015 #89

Oh really? sub.theory Aug 2015 #97

Wow, just fucking wow, what the fuck is wrong with you? n/t Humanist_Activist Aug 2015 #98

What a disgusting reply. Surely not surprising coming from you, but all the same disgusting. JTFrog Aug 2015 #124

Should have thought about that before she raped her student. BainsBane Aug 2015 #81

Too many posts MsTanja Aug 2015 #111

exactly mercuryblues Aug 2015 #134

Agree gollygee Aug 2015 #136

what you say may all be true for 8-year-olds reorg Aug 2015 #169

Describing him as flirting and hopping over the fence treestar Aug 2015 #180

no, it appears to be factual reorg Aug 2015 #188

She did commit rape treestar Aug 2015 #190

No, that's one of your misleading talking points reorg Aug 2015 #192

Second degree rape is rape treestar Aug 2015 #193

"If you're an adult stick with adults. It can't be that hard." NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #194

It's not about being 'complicated' reorg Aug 2015 #200

It's absolutely reasonable to assume that we walk different paths, reorg. NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #201

you ever notice you are always on the wrong side of every issue? snooper2 Aug 2015 #213

funny reorg Aug 2015 #214

People walk different paths... sometimes those paths are in direct conflict with established law LanternWaste Aug 2015 #219

Let's posit you're a boy of eighteen years, travelling reorg Aug 2015 #221

not the common definition reorg Aug 2015 #195

Where is it not a crime... NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #196

look up the age-of-consent laws reorg Aug 2015 #199

Switch the genders and people here wouldn't think the punishment is enough davidn3600 Aug 2015 #144

I was just thinking the exact same thing. LisaL Aug 2015 #151

Undoubtedly true. NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #163

I think there are a couple of points that should be made here lumberjack_jeff Aug 2015 #152

"Children"...Letourneau's rape of Vili Fualaau produced two baby girls... countryjake Aug 2015 #158

Were you just talking about this beautiful couple? reorg Aug 2015 #202

Nothing wrong with a 34 yr old having sex with a 12 yr old? countryjake Aug 2015 #203

I understood your post as being concerned reorg Aug 2015 #204

They look to be about 13. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2015 #207

"Beautiful couple"? The person on the right is a rapist, and the person on the left is the victim. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2015 #206

beautiful as in pretty and happy reorg Aug 2015 #220

boys and girls are talked to differently about it treestar Aug 2015 #181

I'm in a fairly good position to know what boys think, having the advantage of having been one. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2015 #208

Well I thought I explained why treestar Aug 2015 #209

Now that I think about it, I was 17. We are 27 months apart in age. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2015 #216

Did she change his grades or present a favoritism due to the relationship? JanMichael Aug 2015 #155

I know the rules limit the OP to 4 paragraphs, but I'll add a few more of interest davidpdx Aug 2015 #161

Yes. Anyone in that level of denial about their crimes is a narcissist. NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #165

She didn't force him to kiss her nationalize the fed Aug 2015 #168

Bullshit. Women who commit statutory rape get cushy tv interviews. Orrex Aug 2015 #189

No, since this woman is going to jail treestar Aug 2015 #210

The law, yes, but society treats women differently Orrex Aug 2015 #222

I'm not willing to sit through an hour of Dr. Phil... NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #191

I can't manage to muster up much sympathy over this. Crunchy Frog Aug 2015 #186

That's my opinion on the whole thing. NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #187

Our "justice" system is plagued by a.... sendero Aug 2015 #197

"Bottom line, don't rape youngsters and you won't go to jail for doing that." NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #198