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291. Cenk only got part of it right.

Sat Aug 15, 2015, 12:25 PM

Aug 2015

She wasn't killed, but she didn't return to her parents. Her parents continued with the tradition of marrying their daughters off at a young age. Her sister married at the age of 12, I think.

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This is horrifying beyond belief. And, no, what ISIS is doing is not comparable [View all] pnwmom Aug 2015 OP

ugh Liberal_in_LA Aug 2015 #1

"to the victor go the spoils"! pocoloco Aug 2015 #203

Honestly, what the fuck is wrong with you? smirkymonkey Aug 2015 #310

Men who HATE women and children. nt valerief Aug 2015 #2

Evil... onecaliberal Aug 2015 #3

appalling. i can't imagine the DesertFlower Aug 2015 #4

Unfortunately as we have seen with the rw Christians in the USA you can jwirr Aug 2015 #207

Remember, ISIS claims to be the ultra-orthdox wing of Islam, justified by the Q'uran, which it ancianita Aug 2015 #306

Men using religion to justify violating women is disgusting. Ilsa Aug 2015 #5

I'll second that. smirkymonkey Aug 2015 #236

When this was posted earlier, I noted that this is at least the third major war crime/crime against stevenleser Aug 2015 #6

They don't care. AngryAmish Aug 2015 #167

I don't give a rat's ass about cultural differences alarimer Aug 2015 #189

Absolutely ^^^ discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2015 #195

IIRC, there was a trilogy titled "Shogun" by James Clavell. bvar22 Aug 2015 #232

+1000 smirkymonkey Aug 2015 #311

Certain things are always wrong. hifiguy Aug 2015 #313

"new generation of war" raping women and girls has been SOP with occupying forces in more cultures bettyellen Aug 2015 #192

True, but... EL34x4 Aug 2015 #193

It was part of the plan for a lot of occupying cultures- so nothing new about it. Even when it was bettyellen Aug 2015 #194

The difference with ISIS is EL34x4 Aug 2015 #199

Yes, I was speaking of other countries mostly... bettyellen Aug 2015 #206

"What do you mean WE, whiteman?" dougolat Aug 2015 #218

When the USA is occupying foreign lands, bvar22 Aug 2015 #230

Bull Shit For Freddie Aug 2015 #231

No, not bull shit EL34x4 Aug 2015 #284

There is nothing new about using rape to subjugate a conquered culture. JDPriestly Aug 2015 #216

I believe I have been misunderstood. AngryAmish Aug 2015 #217

I agree that they are operating outside international law especially in the kidnapping of young JDPriestly Aug 2015 #224

The idea war crimes was established by the Geneva Conventions and jwirr Aug 2015 #209

We are following the rules again after the Bush administration. And the degrees to which we went off stevenleser Aug 2015 #210

On that I agree - but I doubt if the people in the ME see the difference. jwirr Aug 2015 #223

I'm sure the people being enslaved Dorian Gray Aug 2015 #274

Agreed. jwirr Aug 2015 #281

more from the horrific descriptions in the article. Monsters!!! Glad they lived to tell the tell Liberal_in_LA Aug 2015 #7

Thank you for adding this. There was only so much I could quote, as you know . . . pnwmom Aug 2015 #15

Well I guess it's OK then, hifiguy Aug 2015 #25

The most dangerous among us are the godly. snort Aug 2015 #190

these men need to suffer NOW-not some time in the future. riversedge Aug 2015 #8

why is it our problem? 6chars Aug 2015 #283

Someone ought to tell someone so Yupster Aug 2015 #9

as horrible as it is, I have a feeling it will be used as propaganda for more war Fast Walker 52 Aug 2015 #175

And that is as far as it will go. jwirr Aug 2015 #212

*sob eom artislife Aug 2015 #10

We caused this or Bush and his oil buddies did. Cleita Aug 2015 #11

Sorry, but men who rape little girls are responsible for their own behavior. End of story. Coventina Aug 2015 #28

Thank you. n/t JTFrog Aug 2015 #54

I think I said that. Or doesn't police action from the UN, Interpol and any Cleita Aug 2015 #65

No, you said "We caused this or Bush and his oil buddies did" cleanhippie Aug 2015 #113

So Bush and Cheney are now blameless for creating this Cleita Aug 2015 #135

Lol cleanhippie Aug 2015 #138

Great point. There is NO justification for this. NONE. Yavin4 Aug 2015 #74

Yup. Agschmid Aug 2015 #130

Rape is also a weapon of war Facility Inspector Aug 2015 #191

I am 100% in favor of prosecuting the Bush administation for war crimes. Coventina Aug 2015 #197

I don't think anyone is saying that these sickos should be exempt from prosecution... harrose Aug 2015 #198

That wouldn't stand up under any rule of law. An accomplice has to be a knowing participant in the Coventina Aug 2015 #200

I don't think anyone is saying that Facility Inspector Aug 2015 #202

It's getting pretty close to giving ISIS a pass when a rape is labeled as the fault of the US. Coventina Aug 2015 #205

+1000 smirkymonkey Aug 2015 #237

Fuck no we didn't. no one made these men do this. cali Aug 2015 #31

Do not forget that the norms of a culture setup the "o.k signal" to rape children AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #66

I heard they are trying to use robotic jockeys now, Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #104

That is just sick! smirkymonkey Aug 2015 #238

Read my post carefully. I don't think I said that. Cleita Aug 2015 #70

Yes but if it wasn't us this would have happened eventually anyway. Alittleliberal Aug 2015 #80

If you think this has only been going on for 700 years, Cleita Aug 2015 #84

I don't. Alittleliberal Aug 2015 #86

You said that exactly. "We caused this or Bush and his oil buddies did" cleanhippie Aug 2015 #114

But did I say that we forced them to commit these acts? That is the accusation. Cleita Aug 2015 #134

So when you said "We caused this or Bush and his oil buddies did", just what did we or Bush cause? cleanhippie Aug 2015 #137

Saddam had these trible factions under control. Cleita Aug 2015 #139

The bush and cheney wars destablized the entire ME. Once destablized jwirr Aug 2015 #221

OK...who's going to go into ISIS territory and arrest them? davidn3600 Aug 2015 #149

Now you get it. Yeah. Nice little mess Bushie and his oil buddies created. Cleita Aug 2015 #152

Actually I think the world's philosophy is..."You broke it, so you fix it." davidn3600 Aug 2015 #155

A very fair and pertinent question, that. nt hifiguy Aug 2015 #158

BS, this shit has been going on for centuries and happens in other parts of the world JI7 Aug 2015 #151

American is not responsible for all evil in the world Democat Aug 2015 #165

Wrong. They are responsible for much of it. Read Noam Chomsky sometime on Vietnam. Cleita Aug 2015 #204

We can argue parts of what Chomsky believes we are responsible for, but in the M.E. we ARE stevenleser Aug 2015 #220

It is comparable because that is from the old testament. alphafemale Aug 2015 #12

[citation needed] NT NiceTryGuy Aug 2015 #13

OK alphafemale Aug 2015 #16

Child rape isn't from the old Testament. But this is 2015. Please show me a single Jewish pnwmom Aug 2015 #14

Please show me where the old testament provides bvf Aug 2015 #20

Why would it? It's just a collection of stories. But no one in 2015 is using the old testament pnwmom Aug 2015 #24

A lot of people take such shit literally. bvf Aug 2015 #57

Most Christians no longer believe stuff like that is applicable. Noid Aug 2015 #64

This "stuff" remains part of the canon. bvf Aug 2015 #73

And as long as its there someone will pick it up hifiguy Aug 2015 #83

No, but they're all followers of Muhammad. Noid Aug 2015 #87

Welcome to DU! bvf Aug 2015 #93

please point out any Jewish or Christian group using the old testament to cali Aug 2015 #41

Is this crap any different? bvf Aug 2015 #49

Yes melman Aug 2015 #63

Do you really want to argue what is bvf Aug 2015 #79

I'm hardly pro Christian melman Aug 2015 #82

So, bvf Aug 2015 #88

No melman Aug 2015 #94

This thread is about religious extremism. bvf Aug 2015 #102

I'm waiting. Where are your examples of a Christian government doing this? pnwmom Aug 2015 #100

One reason he/she can't is that no country has a Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #112

Big, major fail. bvf Aug 2015 #127

Being based on Judeo/Christian principles doesn't mean that we have pnwmom Aug 2015 #156

Yes. Please show a current example of organized Christians controlling territory pnwmom Aug 2015 #99

Thought you'd never ask. bvf Aug 2015 #116

He is an individual pastor and doing a terrible thing. But he doesn't control any country pnwmom Aug 2015 #120

Does your congressperson "control" a territory? bvf Aug 2015 #132

No. And it's not a matter of semantics. You are trivializing what ISIS is doing now, pnwmom Aug 2015 #141

What would you call what settlers bvf Aug 2015 #147

This is 2015, not 1615. Guess you haven't figured that out. n/t pnwmom Aug 2015 #148

I won't waste any time bvf Aug 2015 #153

That's exactly where you are -- justifying slavery in 2015 because it was practiced here pnwmom Aug 2015 #154

He's a lunatic and if he or his followers did that they'd go to prison. They control no territory. pnwmom Aug 2015 #98

That's what I said. n/t pnwmom Aug 2015 #97

More of Islamic culture take ALL those laws literally more tha others. alphafemale Aug 2015 #22

American soldiers are not part of a systematic, codified, legal rape of anyone, pnwmom Aug 2015 #27

This seems to fit here.... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2015 #32

That is great. alphafemale Aug 2015 #71

Better be careful or you'll get Sioux'ed. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2015 #267

Brilliant. smirkymonkey Aug 2015 #240

No one is arguing against you. Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #266

It is interesting most people don't know most of Islam's most brutal things are from the OT. alphafemale Aug 2015 #269

Islam respects the OT but does not follow it. Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #271

Not excusing anyone. alphafemale Aug 2015 #272

It may not be Jewish or Christian culture per se unapatriciated Aug 2015 #50

Sex trafficking is a terrible thing wherever it occurs. But the scale and the genocidal aspect pnwmom Aug 2015 #157

Thank you. Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #168

Frustrating, isn't it? smirkymonkey Aug 2015 #247

What you don't hear liberals say/ Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #263

So true. Very sad, isn't it. smirkymonkey Aug 2015 #265

They didn't say people were heeding those bible verses, just that those verses exist. arcane1 Aug 2015 #62

Uhm, the Quiverfull movement? cleanhippie Aug 2015 #118

Yes. The Quiverful movement - Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #169

Just what am I deflecting from? cleanhippie Aug 2015 #186

False equivalency. Not even close. smirkymonkey Aug 2015 #252

And saying "It's from the OT" accomplishes what, Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #171

Wondering if that was her motivation Duppers Aug 2015 #241

I think most of us accept what's all around us. Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #264

OFGS. Whatever is in the OT, try looking at ACTIONS NOW, TODAY, IN THE 21st C. WinkyDink Aug 2015 #183

I won't watch. Thanks for the warning. nt elias49 Aug 2015 #17

"Horrifying beyond belief" hifiguy Aug 2015 #18

And people get flamed here on DU for criticizing Islamic customs. Binkie The Clown Aug 2015 #19

These are the actions of fanatics. Comrade Grumpy Aug 2015 #35

What they are, is perverts. John Poet Aug 2015 #43

Religion has caused so many terrible things! Nt Logical Aug 2015 #21

And will continue to do so. Juicy_Bellows Aug 2015 #23

+1000 nt Logical Aug 2015 #26

And yet, bvf Aug 2015 #67

Yep. Juicy_Bellows Aug 2015 #68

Post removed Post removed Aug 2015 #29

I have no words to describe how much I hate the religion that not only tolerates, but prescribes LiberalAndProud Aug 2015 #30

"Those who can make you believe absurdities, hifiguy Aug 2015 #34

Rips your soul apart.... V0ltairesGh0st Aug 2015 #37

Cenk Uygur retracts some of that story: her parents refused the offer, & she wasn't killed Demit Aug 2015 #121

Cenk only got part of it right. LiberalAndProud Aug 2015 #291

I have seen that before. I didn't know she was killed. smirkymonkey Aug 2015 #254

Seriously? You want to call them sick deranged f$%ks giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #33

I am sure that would be a great comfort hifiguy Aug 2015 #40

It's not all Muslims, why is that so hard to grasp? giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #45

No and not all christians are fundy lunatics either hifiguy Aug 2015 #60

It's not true she was killed. LiberalAndProud Aug 2015 #61

That is the only good thing in this thread. nt hifiguy Aug 2015 #81

Thank Dog! smirkymonkey Aug 2015 #255

I completely agreed with our going into the FLDS and prosecuting those people. pnwmom Aug 2015 #111

Well it looks like we'll be sending troops back so there's giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #119

You're the one "broad brushing a huge swath" of people because I didn't say anything about Muslims. pnwmom Aug 2015 #123

I'm sorry you posted an entire OP that essentially states giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #128

ISIS is taking its ideas from ITS particular interpretation of the Quran. pnwmom Aug 2015 #159

It is partly about Islam'a insistence on hanging on to Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #268

Is Muhammad the perfect man? sub.theory Aug 2015 #222

Well the quran does say that sex with slave Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #233

This isn't even about religion. It is about a serial rapist psychopath using religion world wide wally Aug 2015 #36

Absolutely right. eom John Poet Aug 2015 #44

Thank you, but then again if you do that the weekly giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #46

Wishful thinking sub.theory Aug 2015 #58

I think they do it in order to satisfy their pathologies as much as thinking they are "serving God" world wide wally Aug 2015 #144

Control of women is at the very heart and purpose of the three Abrahamic monotheisms. Arugula Latte Aug 2015 #103

Thank you, A.L. Duppers Aug 2015 #242

ISIS considers it halal in their version of Islam Facility Inspector Aug 2015 #315

Sick fucks. blackspade Aug 2015 #38

But they cite the justifications for this, hifiguy Aug 2015 #42

They're book of fairytales is just cover for.... blackspade Aug 2015 #92

I was in West Africa in the 70's and was shocked by the way women were treated. jalan48 Aug 2015 #39

Weird, my boyfriend is Muslim & I would beat his giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #47

Good for you. Unfortunately, sometimes it takes that to get a person's attention. jalan48 Aug 2015 #51

But it doesn't, that's the problem. giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #53

Racism I would say. My dentist is Iranian and one of the kindest people I have ever met. jalan48 Aug 2015 #59

Where's the stereotyping? melman Aug 2015 #75

Move back to his homeland with him pscot Aug 2015 #95

Really, wtf would we do that? giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #96

Who other than you is saying this is all Muslims? whatthehey Aug 2015 #107

Did you read the fuckin OP title? giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #109

The fucking one that says fucking "ISIS" not fucking "All Muslims" for fuck's sake? whatthehey Aug 2015 #173

+100 Duppers Aug 2015 #244

Thank YOU! smirkymonkey Aug 2015 #257

Islam teaches what it teaches. Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #181

And I would explain to your boyfriend that it is the text I argue with, not him. LiberalAndProud Aug 2015 #85

As an atheist, I think it's not so much that they ignore them, but mythology Aug 2015 #126

I would not have a problem with any of what you're saying, LiberalAndProud Aug 2015 #136

I think that's great - Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #180

Many, many decades ago I Duppers Aug 2015 #243

The 70's is your base for your opinion? It is 2015 now.... Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #52

Judging from the OP, it would seem not much has changed... Marengo Aug 2015 #77

"West Africa" is ISIS controlled?? Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #108

Domestic violence is biggest threat to west Africa's women, IRC says progressoid Aug 2015 #296

Absolute evil sub.theory Aug 2015 #48

Right you are. MBS Aug 2015 #166

Wordless rage. Brickbat Aug 2015 #55

Someone tell me what Islam offers women. Feeling the Bern Aug 2015 #56

and yet Muslims are the ones fighting ISIS MisterP Aug 2015 #69

First tell me what Republicans offer women. Nt. Juicy_Bellows Aug 2015 #72

Brainwashing, subjugation, pain, repression, and stupid mythology. Arugula Latte Aug 2015 #105

Bravo!! Bravissimo!! hifiguy Aug 2015 #160

... Arugula Latte Aug 2015 #234

You can't understand it unless you have nothing else to cling onto LittleBlue Aug 2015 #117

How come so many recruits are from middle class western backgrounds then? sub.theory Aug 2015 #133

Maybe because they feel powerless in some way and this ideology promises them smirkymonkey Aug 2015 #258

What does Catholocism offer women? What do ANY of the patriarical religions offer women? cleanhippie Aug 2015 #122

This is about ISIS, not the Muslims or the Catholics or the Jews. ISIS is the only government pnwmom Aug 2015 #125

Lol. For you perhaps it's only about ISIS. cleanhippie Aug 2015 #131

We are discussing the OP yeoman6987 Aug 2015 #140

This being your first response to this thread, you're discussing what I'm discussing. cleanhippie Aug 2015 #184

Converts will say things like, Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #235

Maybe ask the female adherents of those religions. n/t Comrade Grumpy Aug 2015 #292

If there were any justice in this world... GaYellowDawg Aug 2015 #76

Sick animals, AuntPatsy Aug 2015 #78

Yeah, I read that earlier today.... Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #89

This is, of course, very horrible, Blue_In_AK Aug 2015 #90

If that story had been the OP melman Aug 2015 #106

My point is, as I said, Blue_In_AK Aug 2015 #110

The OP was about ISIS, not Islam, so it has nothing to do with islamophobia. pnwmom Aug 2015 #162

ISIS is practicing genocide of the Yazidis in a large section of Iraq. How is that in any way pnwmom Aug 2015 #163

The difference being: EX500rider Aug 2015 #309

sick bastards niyad Aug 2015 #91

I think it was David Niven who told this story gordianot Aug 2015 #101

F***ing cowards. Could there possibly be any weaker men in the world? smirkymonkey Aug 2015 #259

Now, I hate to say... roscoeroscoe Aug 2015 #115

Then sign up philosslayer Aug 2015 #142

20 years Army, still serving roscoeroscoe Aug 2015 #287

for shame 6chars Aug 2015 #285

No other topic melman Aug 2015 #124

I think some people actually enjoy the fact that no group of people put "women in their place" smirkymonkey Aug 2015 #260

Iraq has to be a hellhole, but hey you know all that 'rose petals at the feet of liberators' stuff. Rex Aug 2015 #129

but...but I was just told the rapists are solely responsible for the Cleita Aug 2015 #145

Yeah I saw that, until I joined DU I had no idea there were supposed progressives Rex Aug 2015 #172

Just saw what you went through, Cleita. senz Aug 2015 #275

Don't worry about it. I'm made of tough stuff. Cleita Aug 2015 #277

Well then, may your stuff stay tough (lol don't try to say that) senz Aug 2015 #278

.. Cleita Aug 2015 #280

And it's great that you're for Bernie too. senz Aug 2015 #286

I cant think of anything it's comparable too JackInGreen Aug 2015 #143

I heard they pulled babies out of incubators & left them on the floor U4ikLefty Aug 2015 #146

We have real evidence and testimony this time. Western powers aren't itching to invade, either. So WinkyDink Aug 2015 #185

No attempt...I don't buy the propaganda. U4ikLefty Aug 2015 #250

Why do you feel the need to be snarky about a serious Duppers Aug 2015 #245

True. War-mongering propaganda is a serious problem. U4ikLefty Aug 2015 #251

that's why all these fucking losers are going there to join ISIS JI7 Aug 2015 #150

Well this thread turned out about what I would expect davidn3600 Aug 2015 #161

the real question is what can we possibly do to stop this? Fast Walker 52 Aug 2015 #176

Perhaps it is our own behavior in the world that prevents us from stopping it Oilwellian Aug 2015 #208

I agree.... the plutocracy promotes evil like this and needs to go Fast Walker 52 Aug 2015 #219

as i remember questionseverything Aug 2015 #225

how about a petition? 6chars Aug 2015 #289

+1. But no - this has nothing to do with Islam Oneironaut Aug 2015 #211

Agreed. It sets up the culture. nt Duppers Aug 2015 #248

I'll never understand the support here for one of the most anti-progressive idealogies on Earth sub.theory Aug 2015 #213

I think it has to do with being seen as a third world religion Ex Lurker Aug 2015 #239

Great post. Duppers Aug 2015 #262

Marvelous post. hifiguy Aug 2015 #314

Back! BACK, I SAY! Back to the 8th century where you belong! There is no room here in the future A HERETIC I AM Aug 2015 #164

Plying the minions with easy access to sex. Slavery. Ad-Daesh is so perverse. n/t Betty Karlson Aug 2015 #170

of course it's horrible! But the question is what do we do? Fast Walker 52 Aug 2015 #174

Animals; I cannot consider these things as humans, as they have no humanity in them. CanonRay Aug 2015 #177

men always seem to find authoritative rationalization for rape librechik Aug 2015 #178

always thought this was the true purpose of war. mopinko Aug 2015 #179

I always thought land ownership was, with rape as a bonus. WinkyDink Aug 2015 #187

easy conclusion to come to, but mopinko Aug 2015 #188

From the "Obligatory Comment" Dept: "All religions are bad." "Obligatory Corollary": "Abrahamic." WinkyDink Aug 2015 #182

this defines why the left should not be soft on Islamism ericson00 Aug 2015 #196

Oh bigotry thy name is misdirected outrage, Isis isn't Islam. Rep Ellison is a fine american Exultant Democracy Aug 2015 #294

It's not misdirected outrage. progressoid Aug 2015 #297

I wasn't responding to you bucko, none the less blanket statements about a group Exultant Democracy Aug 2015 #299

That's the funny thing about these discussion boards progressoid Aug 2015 #301

It is only bigotry. Exultant Democracy Aug 2015 #302

Good to know. progressoid Aug 2015 #304

" Maybe when I'm done, I'll be a better bigot." Not saying you are an asshole bigot, but in general Exultant Democracy Aug 2015 #305

Recruits just the sort of fighters they want One_Life_To_Give Aug 2015 #201

K & R for exposure. nt SunSeeker Aug 2015 #214

Tell that to the little 12 year old mormon being sold to her great uncle as a sex slave Exultant Democracy Aug 2015 #215

Not important. That does not smear Islam; therefore, it's not a story. closeupready Aug 2015 #227

The actions of ISIS do not smear ISLAM anymore than the actions of the FLDS pnwmom Aug 2015 #229

Technically, Sunni is the sect. ISIS is the purifying subsect of the Sunni. ancianita Aug 2015 #307

My comments here aren't so much about YOU closeupready Aug 2015 #318

it isn't sanctioned by the government. where is Warren Jeffs? cali Aug 2015 #246

So you recognize Isis as a government? Embarrassing that you want to Exultant Democracy Aug 2015 #288

call it whatever you wish, the reality is that it is the controlling authority for millions. cali Aug 2015 #290

so raping kids if your Muslim is worse than Christian rape because Exultant Democracy Aug 2015 #293

it's worse when it is official policy. cali Aug 2015 #295

It is the official policy of the FLDS mormons, therefor you should agree it's basically the same? Exultant Democracy Aug 2015 #298

I find child rape repulsive wherever it is found. The Catholic church is no better. LiberalAndProud Aug 2015 #300

Shoot I forgot all about the Jehovah's some sick shit coming out recently. Exultant Democracy Aug 2015 #303

And yet, myself, Bain'sBane, and others have attempted to shed light on slavery closeupready Aug 2015 #226

This is about genocide and modern slavery and ISIS -- not Muslims in general. pnwmom Aug 2015 #228

Modern slavery sucks. All brands of it. Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #270

the Quran not only gave him the right to rape her � it condoned and encouraged it recycled60 Aug 2015 #249

The father of this nightmare sulphurdunn Aug 2015 #253

Not surprised by the derailment. ProudToBeBlueInRhody Aug 2015 #256

Yep, very predictable Ex Lurker Aug 2015 #308

I'm Sorry folks after the Iraqi imthevicar Aug 2015 #261

It's horrific reading Dorian Gray Aug 2015 #273

Obama is enabling this by supporting ozone_man Aug 2015 #276

Wait: Saddam is being reimagines as a hero? Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #279

A barbarian able to control what we can't. ozone_man Aug 2015 #316

Agreed. But you realize you (and I) Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #317

Agreed. ozone_man Aug 2015 #319

There is a very sick tendency in human sexuality. senz Aug 2015 #282

I'm not interested in their culture or the differences discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2015 #312