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cheapdate

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11. There is a battle for political control
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 11:07 PM
Aug 2015

in Iraq and Syria. Iraqis and Syrians must determine the outcome. The answer can't come from the outside. Iraq is a sovereign nation and has a responsibility to protect its people, its values, and its territory. They are not a nation without the means to do so. The historical part that the U.S. played in the events that facilitated the rise of IS neither obligates nor justifies another aggressive war in Iraq.

Its true that those with great power have an obligation to protect the weak and defenseless. But there are conditions for violating a nation's sovereignty and territory to intervene to protect the weak or to stop atrocities. Those conditions aren't met in Iraq.

On the other hand, ISIS isn't an ordinary political and military group. In an ordinary conflict, there might be crimes and transgressions by both sides, but after one side or the other wins life generally returns to a semblance of normal. ISIS doesn't appear to be like that. Their crimes are especially shocking (systematic officially sanctioned rape) and there's not much reason to expect the atrocities would end with the cessation of hostilities. ISIS is a kind of evil on par with the Nazis -- a complete nullification of normal human values. It might be that they need to be destroyed for the good of mankind.

How that can be done militarily -- against an irregular enemy that recognizes no rules or conventions of war -- is beyond me. The territory they occupy is vast and populated by hundreds of thousands of civilians.

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1. Build a time machine, 2. Go back 15 years. onehandle Aug 2015 #1
That may be the most workable solution. Comrade Grumpy Aug 2015 #2
The backwards time machine still hasn't arrived yet. FrodosPet Aug 2015 #8
If we ignore the FACT that this conflict is 1000s of years old Alittleliberal Aug 2015 #28
Jesus is that the Munsters? lostnfound Aug 2015 #30
Follow the money and cut it off. KSA, UAE and Qatar leveymg Aug 2015 #3
There's a lot of blood on the hands of the Saudis and the Gulf States. Comrade Grumpy Aug 2015 #25
Containment and attrition? moondust Aug 2015 #4
Formally end the "War on Terror". delrem Aug 2015 #5
There are problems with all your solutions... davidn3600 Aug 2015 #6
"Doing nothing..eventually committing terrorist acts on us" WDIM Aug 2015 #10
You're comparing Saddam Hussein to ISIS? A lie to a group that has promised to attack us? Really? stevenleser Aug 2015 #12
No I was comparing the posters rationale for war with Bush's rati WDIM Aug 2015 #17
You are confusing Iraq and Afghanistan davidn3600 Aug 2015 #16
I know Saudi nationals attacked us on 9-11-01 WDIM Aug 2015 #18
The Taliban was harboring Al-Queda davidn3600 Aug 2015 #19
Thats the official story. WDIM Aug 2015 #22
Cut off the funding and supply. WDIM Aug 2015 #7
No one should take that suggestions seriously until you research it and explain how. For instance... stevenleser Aug 2015 #13
There is no way. WDIM Aug 2015 #21
develop renewable energy and turn our backs on the entire oil despotic regions saturnsring Aug 2015 #9
There is a battle for political control cheapdate Aug 2015 #11
Is ISIS an occupier or is this a civil war? I think they are occupiers. stevenleser Aug 2015 #14
I'm afraid it may not be as clear cut as you suggest. Comrade Grumpy Aug 2015 #26
The arguments for intervention in the case of a civil war, cheapdate Aug 2015 #27
This might be more of a fantasy but here goes.... chowder66 Aug 2015 #15
continue with the coalition ericson00 Aug 2015 #20
Destroy their oil fields. former9thward Aug 2015 #23
We broke it, we bought it Facility Inspector Aug 2015 #24
(3) and (4) are really the same. Igel Aug 2015 #29
The London Review of Books has an interesting piece on British jihadis. Comrade Grumpy Aug 2015 #32
Hormone bombs? Something in the water supply? lostnfound Aug 2015 #31
You forgot who actually has the capability to do something Lurks Often Aug 2015 #33
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