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MrScorpio

(73,772 posts)
38. What I'd like to do here is simply give you a difference in perspective.
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 11:59 PM
Aug 2015

One thing that we should never lose sight of is what kind of society we're all living in and also to point out that none of this is either within our control (this is a world we're all born into, whether we like it or not) or even within our realm of blame (as in it's not any one person's fault.) However, we all do have certain responsibilities, the most important of which is to be self-aware.

The first thing to consider is the fact that our society in this country is inherently white supremacist. Meaning that it's one in which the white majority has chosen to define itself as the standard by which everything else is judged. That majority has pretty much set the rules by which what is considered normality and what has not. These standards are created and enforced for the benefit of whites above non-whites and by whites alone. This is what's otherwise known as "white privilege."

Now, normally we tend to look at the world through our own prism as individuals. However, let's not forget that the rules of the world groups each and every one of us within the context of a white supremacist model. Rather than regarding this via an individual model, let's consider that we have no control over what groups we all belong to, within a racial hierarchy that values and serves whites over non-whites. That doesn't necessarily mean that all whites are white supremacists, but it does mean that, whether or not this is their choice, all whites do benefit from a system that has standardized white normality.

For example, whenever your white male director sat in his chair, no one thought it remarkable to consider in the least what his race or gender was. I mention gender as well because our system of patriarchy in this country parallels our systematic racial component. Consider the possibility that people didn't see the world around themselves where normality wasn't defined by both white supremacy and patriarchy… What are the chances that what was said to the black woman who's project manager would have been said at all?

Now you say that you're not 100% sure whether sure his comment was wrong. It doesn't have to be 100%, as in you didn't have to assign an absolute in order to determine whether or not it was wrong. The amount of wrongness is your choice. Based on your own perspective, only you can determine how wrong it actually was.

Next, you mentioned that you had no idea how the woman took the comment. I would hazard that she would have rather not have heard it.

Consider again that we all live in a society defined in terms of white supremacy and patriarchy. If you live long enough in this world, you learn to build coping mechanisms. These mechanisms usually fall along one's own path of least resistance.

The path of least resistance is also used to describe certain human behaviors, although with much less specificity than in the strict physical sense. In these cases, resistance is often used as a metaphor for personal effort or confrontation; a person taking the path of least resistance avoids these. In library science and technical writing, information is ideally arranged for users according to the principle of least effort, or the "path of least resistance". Recursive navigation systems are an example of this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Path_of_least_resistance


In the case of the incident you've mentioned, everyone's own path of least resistance dictates their own reactions. To confront or not to confront, what should one do? Now in spite of the racial connotation of the so-called joke, I'm quite sure that the project manager probably made a consideration on whether or not to mention something. Unfortunately, had she decided to confront the person making the joke, there's the likelihood that she was have encountered a reaction based in white fragility. Which is, frankly, never a picnic. Consider for a moment, that as a black woman, how many times in any day that she may have to encounter white supremacist or patriarchal comments said as jokes or off-handedly by white people who have no idea what was improper about what was said.

The thing about living in this society is that people of color, women or both never have the luxury to not consider how their own gender and race impacts whatever situation they're ever in. Quite unlike white males and other beneficiaries of white supremacy who aren't even aware of what kind of society they're even living in. Non-whites have absolutely no control over white supremacy in this country. Yes, we can protest, we can write and lecture and try to educate the majority what's wrong with such a system, but unless the white majority as a group chooses to end white supremacy, it's not going to end.

One last thing, you thought enough of the incident to both remember and recite it here. Given that and your reaction, I would say that you did think that there was something disturbing about what happened, but from your own perspective, you weren't absolutely sure what that was. I've said before that self-awareness is the most important thing that one can do in our society. I think that you were self-aware enough to be disturbed by it, whether or not you were 100% percent sure that it was wrong or not.


For more to consider, I have a pretty good article article for you: http://www.salon.com/2015/04/10/white_americas_racial_illiteracy_why_our_national_conversation_is_poisoned_from_the_start_partner/

If you want to discuss more of this, we can do that!







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I think you need to ask young black professionals. Shrike47 Aug 2015 #1
I would agree. EL34x4 Aug 2015 #32
In a country ... sendero Aug 2015 #2
I think it showed that they were treating her like anybody else. You said you're sure.. BlueJazz Aug 2015 #3
Agree. Not a racist comment. TexasMommaWithAHat Aug 2015 #12
Pretending to be "color blind" is just that--a pretense. tblue37 Aug 2015 #26
But if some people think that the above joke is racist TexasMommaWithAHat Aug 2015 #27
That is true, of course. But I dream of a time when skin color is merely a tblue37 Aug 2015 #29
Yeah. TexasMommaWithAHat Aug 2015 #30
I love that poem. Iris Aug 2015 #34
I used to work in a dept and we had 2 guys both named the same. CurtEastPoint Aug 2015 #4
"Hardware Tom" or "Software Tom" would be pretty funny also. yellowcanine Aug 2015 #9
Tom Jones, people would dance. How could you not? alphafemale Aug 2015 #11
Actually, what's funnier is they were both named 'Tony Curtis.' Swear! CurtEastPoint Aug 2015 #13
To pretend you don't notice someones race...? alphafemale Aug 2015 #15
I find that I can say that to colleagues who have lived in the south a long time. Iris Aug 2015 #35
I have a friend with my same name who is black. Frank Cannon Aug 2015 #21
I also worked at a place w/a guy who had my identical first and last name. CurtEastPoint Aug 2015 #25
I think it was wrong Generic Brad Aug 2015 #5
We had a president and Vice President yeoman6987 Aug 2015 #14
Saving for later MrScorpio Aug 2015 #6
i'm looking forward to it Enrique Aug 2015 #22
I think that all of the "jokes" sound unprofessional and rude. yellowcanine Aug 2015 #7
If that rule is unwritten where did it come from? Or is it just your opinion? Myself I think totodeinhere Aug 2015 #17
It's based on my experience in a professional workplace. yellowcanine Aug 2015 #37
Yep. The person who makes the "joke" now has a bag of trouble floating in the air. Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2015 #39
Brilliant response. lapislzi Aug 2015 #48
That's ridiculous. LiberalAndProud Aug 2015 #19
The "unwritten" part is the fact that you can't account for every situation. yellowcanine Aug 2015 #47
"I wouldn't in a million years ask her about it. " Cal Carpenter Aug 2015 #8
Sounds like Bob was the brunt of all the jokes madville Aug 2015 #10
Unless your story includes more that makes it racist, then it isn't racism lunatica Aug 2015 #16
whether it's racist isn't among my questions Enrique Aug 2015 #23
Not racist. "What's wrong with being dark" nails it. (nt) Nye Bevan Aug 2015 #18
I can't see that as racist Lee-Lee Aug 2015 #20
a number of people are answering a question I didn't ask Enrique Aug 2015 #24
It was inappropriate & he's lucky there wasn't a complaint. CrispyQ Aug 2015 #28
Not racist. Not sexist. Not ageist. TexasMommaWithAHat Aug 2015 #31
I would say that's not racist. Quantess Aug 2015 #33
context is everything Skittles Aug 2015 #36
What I'd like to do here is simply give you a difference in perspective. MrScorpio Aug 2015 #38
Beautiful post alcibiades_mystery Aug 2015 #41
thank you very much Enrique Aug 2015 #45
SMDH alcibiades_mystery Aug 2015 #40
Most people nowadays would need psychiatric hospitalization Facility Inspector Aug 2015 #42
I'd be ashamed of myself for asking thie question. The answer, of course, is YES, IT'S A BIG DEAL. cherokeeprogressive Aug 2015 #43
I'm the proud father of a child; born a Daughter, who realized She was the Son I'd always wanted. cherokeeprogressive Aug 2015 #44
I wouldn't make that remark. DirkGently Aug 2015 #46
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