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Igel

(37,608 posts)
29. (3) and (4) are really the same.
Sun Aug 16, 2015, 10:49 AM
Aug 2015

And that's my choice at the present. Suck it up and take the blame (or scapegoat whoever we need to to be able to continue our claims to messiah-hood) and let the pathology burn itself out.

I'd note that the first IS threat came *after* the US formally became a belligerent against IS.

Otherwise, it's mostly homegrown. It's the unreconstructed somewhat educated poor versus the more educated reconstructed not-poor, with a lot of the slacker educated seeking "authenticity" and a "return to their roots" to find a way of resisting assimilation to a reconstucted culture, one that rejects their "authentic" and "unique" past and adopts many Western ways of being and thinking. While the fight is about the present failings of their society, it takes the form of vengeance and compensation over perceived grievances, sometimes completely biased and one-sided in presentation, over slights from decades or hundreds of years ago.

"The reason I had to go to Germany for my engineering degree and can't get a job is because Westerners oppressed my great-great-great uncle in 1860" or "because Andalusia". To find absolution from such vicariously relished and lamented humiliation and the sin of not being true to 715's style Islam, they have to fight and restore their past glory, much of which *is* entirely constructed out of whole cloth. It's those feeling powerless assigning blame through history and seeking to claim power that, really, they don't have a claim to and would misuse if they got it. Not that they couldn't do better than those in power, but, seriously, that's not the way the data are piling up.

There's a lot of that going on.

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1. Build a time machine, 2. Go back 15 years. onehandle Aug 2015 #1
That may be the most workable solution. Comrade Grumpy Aug 2015 #2
The backwards time machine still hasn't arrived yet. FrodosPet Aug 2015 #8
If we ignore the FACT that this conflict is 1000s of years old Alittleliberal Aug 2015 #28
Jesus is that the Munsters? lostnfound Aug 2015 #30
Follow the money and cut it off. KSA, UAE and Qatar leveymg Aug 2015 #3
There's a lot of blood on the hands of the Saudis and the Gulf States. Comrade Grumpy Aug 2015 #25
Containment and attrition? moondust Aug 2015 #4
Formally end the "War on Terror". delrem Aug 2015 #5
There are problems with all your solutions... davidn3600 Aug 2015 #6
"Doing nothing..eventually committing terrorist acts on us" WDIM Aug 2015 #10
You're comparing Saddam Hussein to ISIS? A lie to a group that has promised to attack us? Really? stevenleser Aug 2015 #12
No I was comparing the posters rationale for war with Bush's rati WDIM Aug 2015 #17
You are confusing Iraq and Afghanistan davidn3600 Aug 2015 #16
I know Saudi nationals attacked us on 9-11-01 WDIM Aug 2015 #18
The Taliban was harboring Al-Queda davidn3600 Aug 2015 #19
Thats the official story. WDIM Aug 2015 #22
Cut off the funding and supply. WDIM Aug 2015 #7
No one should take that suggestions seriously until you research it and explain how. For instance... stevenleser Aug 2015 #13
There is no way. WDIM Aug 2015 #21
develop renewable energy and turn our backs on the entire oil despotic regions saturnsring Aug 2015 #9
There is a battle for political control cheapdate Aug 2015 #11
Is ISIS an occupier or is this a civil war? I think they are occupiers. stevenleser Aug 2015 #14
I'm afraid it may not be as clear cut as you suggest. Comrade Grumpy Aug 2015 #26
The arguments for intervention in the case of a civil war, cheapdate Aug 2015 #27
This might be more of a fantasy but here goes.... chowder66 Aug 2015 #15
continue with the coalition ericson00 Aug 2015 #20
Destroy their oil fields. former9thward Aug 2015 #23
We broke it, we bought it Facility Inspector Aug 2015 #24
(3) and (4) are really the same. Igel Aug 2015 #29
The London Review of Books has an interesting piece on British jihadis. Comrade Grumpy Aug 2015 #32
Hormone bombs? Something in the water supply? lostnfound Aug 2015 #31
You forgot who actually has the capability to do something Lurks Often Aug 2015 #33
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