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F4lconF16

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35. I posted this a little while back:
Mon Aug 17, 2015, 04:22 AM
Aug 2015
When someone says to you, 400 years of oppression, they do feel the weight of 400 years on their shoulders. How could they not? The people who called us white folk in Seattle "white supremacists" (and I am one of them) do not see us in "the most convenient terms, the simplest definitions". Believe me--I've actually met and discussed things with Janae.

When you look out on a Seattle crowd, at a sea of white faces, who don't understand the reality you face in the slightest, who are on a broad scale ignorant of your problems (and in being so helping to cause those problems); when you see the result of hundreds of years of oppression and racial discrimination, and you know those hundreds of years have created the reality you must navigate now; when you know that those very same people have voted for and supported the regimes of the racist Seattle Police Department, the racist city council policies, the racist housing development, the plethora of subtle and often overlooked structural racism inherent to your city and ignored by your neighbors; how can you not feel the weight of that oppression come crashing down on you?

In many ways, if not consciously, we are white supremacists. Not in our actions; we can be some fantastic human beings participating and fighting in the struggle against racism. But in our ignorance of the issues that are literally the very meaning of life or death to black America...we are creating a world for white people alone. The colorblind racism of mass incarceration and the new racial caste system that has evolved from it is a perfect example, and one of many to be found.

Respect must go both ways. And we need to understand that what is said and what we hear are often two very different things.


Edit: this was covered in the article, and is a critical thing we need to understand in order to be allies.

Throughout most of the April panel, Johnson spoke engagingly. Then, during the question-and-answer period, a white member of the audience said that he was put off by Johnson’s use of the term “white supremacy.” He preferred the phrase “white privilege.”

Johnson snapped. “Don’t ever, ever, ever, ever tell oppressed people how they should resist their oppression,” she said during a tongue-lashing that lasted several minutes and included her admonishing the man to stop smiling and refrain from speaking further.

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Disrupting what? PatrickforO Aug 2015 #1
“Every day, some black man is getting killed.” Exactly. Mahalo ismnotwasm Cha Aug 2015 #2
Thank you ismnotwasm Aug 2015 #3
More from Thom Hartmann. AtomicKitten Aug 2015 #16
I don't see how you jump to that conclusion. Live and Learn Aug 2015 #27
I loved that answer from Thom. nt Live and Learn Aug 2015 #28
Me, too, Live and Learn.. just how I feel. thank you Thom Hartmann~ Cha Aug 2015 #30
with all due respect I have a serious question for you azurnoir Aug 2015 #52
Back in the 60's, there was the "SDS." Archae Aug 2015 #4
In other words, another generation TM99 Aug 2015 #8
I don't think they will. F4lconF16 Aug 2015 #32
I have never had a problem with the BLM movement. TM99 Aug 2015 #57
It's a tactic: silencing/disrupting/shouting down speech philly_bob Aug 2015 #5
Isn't her 15 minutes up yet? (nt) nsd Aug 2015 #6
#BlackLivesMatter and you're talking about "15 minutes"! Cha Aug 2015 #18
Newsflash romanic Aug 2015 #20
I don't care about your ignorant "newsflash". Cha Aug 2015 #22
*sips Mai Tai* romanic Aug 2015 #24
rotflmao! Stellar Aug 2015 #60
Against the wishes of many, cops havent shot her yet. NCTraveler Aug 2015 #54
Ouch. I'd laugh, but... nt F4lconF16 Aug 2015 #62
They sheshe2 Aug 2015 #7
Too bad there's "progressives" who don't get it.. think these Activists are so Cha Aug 2015 #23
He's a DUer, why didn't he come here and tell us Waiting For Everyman Aug 2015 #26
You missed it. JTFrog Aug 2015 #41
Thanks Waiting For Everyman Aug 2015 #42
all he did was link to the very same thing as the poster above did-HIS show azurnoir Aug 2015 #47
I like this part of his post: "and let's all work to help wake up white folks..." n/t JTFrog Aug 2015 #56
If I rolled my eyes any harder... romanic Aug 2015 #9
That made me laugh. TM99 Aug 2015 #13
I have no problem with the tactic. What I question is, why direct it at Sen Sanders. rhett o rick Aug 2015 #10
They have actually answered that question. Senator Tankerbell Aug 2015 #14
No, they targeted him jfern Aug 2015 #17
There's an insidious reason why that hashtag was created. romanic Aug 2015 #21
Since you make this claim, Skidmore Aug 2015 #44
Here's what I said in another post: F4lconF16 Aug 2015 #33
A few dozen BLM members were arrested for protesting the DOJ last Monday Chathamization Aug 2015 #50
k&r Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #11
I am guessing their tactics, liked or unliked, are working: their message is getting attention YOHABLO Aug 2015 #12
I only have a problem with calling the crowd white supremacists killbotfactory Aug 2015 #15
I posted this a little while back: F4lconF16 Aug 2015 #35
Sometimes, there are messages in what is not spoken too. notadmblnd Aug 2015 #48
Well good luck to her and her efforts to troll white liberals, I guess killbotfactory Aug 2015 #58
K & R SunSeeker Aug 2015 #19
They think they can bully or guilt Waiting For Everyman Aug 2015 #25
Yes. And we'll shut the whole damn thing down if we have to. F4lconF16 Aug 2015 #29
I am all for getting the message out. Live and Learn Aug 2015 #36
They are. F4lconF16 Aug 2015 #37
Thanks for sharing that one. That was great. nt Live and Learn Aug 2015 #38
This. Skidmore Aug 2015 #45
Disruption is fine as long as you pick the right target to disrupt. Old Union Guy Aug 2015 #31
I don't think they're doing that. F4lconF16 Aug 2015 #34
Getting the conversation started is huge. Live and Learn Aug 2015 #40
Random killing of the general public is counterproductive. I was in D.C. just before MayDay 1971. freshwest Aug 2015 #43
Disruption is fine.. sendero Aug 2015 #39
And what is the "right thing." Skidmore Aug 2015 #46
OWS is a prime example. nt hack89 Aug 2015 #49
They're angry because people are dying gollygee Aug 2015 #51
The more I learn about her the more I love her. nt. NCTraveler Aug 2015 #53
Big K&R. Some of the replies to this OP are truly disgusting. nt sufrommich Aug 2015 #55
I heard this morning on the news, Roslyn Brock chair, NAACP... Stellar Aug 2015 #59
What happens when everyone adopts this tactic? Throd Aug 2015 #61
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