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avebury

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34. Conscientious Objectors should have the right to demand

Mon Aug 17, 2015, 07:46 PM

Aug 2015

that their tax dollars not fund military funding (with the exception of the VA Hosiptials and programs to take care of the physically and emotionallly damaged members of the military. Imagine if conscientious objectors started across the country to refuse to pay taxes. That has the potential to be a huge mechanism of non-violent protest. What will the government if there was a massaive tax revolt over the issue of the military? Particularly if the volume of protestors far exceeded their capacity of the government to deal with them.

The Hobby Lobby ruling could be used to catapault the non-vioent, anti-military movement. Being anti-war, anti-military is just as much a part of a person's religious beliefs as being pro-life.

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Col. Wilkerson: If Americans Want Ground Forces To Fight ISIS, Let's Have A Draft [View all] KamaAina Aug 2015 OP

ABSOLUTELY! elleng Aug 2015 #1

But you know that the latter-day Trumps and Cheneys will find ways to weasel out of it KamaAina Aug 2015 #2

Yes of course. elleng Aug 2015 #6

Let the draft aged persons vote. Yes means you are enlisting. Thor_MN Aug 2015 #39

A Little Too Far ProfessorGAC Aug 2015 #64

I never understood how Rush had a piolidal cyst xmas74 Aug 2015 #68

Because You Forgot To Whine About It ProfessorGAC Aug 2015 #71

That's why. xmas74 Aug 2015 #77

If you liked Vietnam, you'll love this clustercoitus. sarge43 Aug 2015 #28

Yup but MY condition: NO exemptions. elleng Aug 2015 #50

Well, there would have to be exemptions sarge43 Aug 2015 #54

Couldn't agree more. Reinstate the draft. Paladin Aug 2015 #3

Trouble with that is, not only the children of the 62% would be drafted. djean111 Aug 2015 #7

but it might well save the lives of the people who are currently in the military dsc Aug 2015 #12

And most likely they StILL won't have relatives on the line. n/t djean111 Aug 2015 #38

In WW2 and Korea dsc Aug 2015 #41

I do not think we will have wars like that again. Where exactly do you think we should djean111 Aug 2015 #42

I don't think we should be fighting any wars dsc Aug 2015 #45

Bobby would have joined his older brothers Jack and Joe, Jr. hifiguy Aug 2015 #89

true dsc Aug 2015 #90

Yep, two years in the Army. hifiguy Aug 2015 #93

With no college or other bullshit deferments. n/t tabasco Aug 2015 #4

As long as only supporters of a ground war could be drafted. But that's not how it ever works. pnwmom Aug 2015 #5

Colonel Wilkerson speaks with great insight. 3catwoman3 Aug 2015 #8

Draft neocons first! - n/t Jim__ Aug 2015 #9

This is pure propaganda. Madmiddle Aug 2015 #10

Uh? I think you missed the point. Duppers Aug 2015 #88

how big is the isis army? 6chars Aug 2015 #11

Obama said they were a JV squard. former9thward Aug 2015 #14

I see estimates of 20,000 to 30,000 Comrade Grumpy Aug 2015 #18

I am old enough to remember the enemy body counts in Vietnam. former9thward Aug 2015 #22

Considering the high quality of Middle Eastern armies, their taking Iraq wasn't surprising jmowreader Aug 2015 #99

The lower numbers don't make sense to me. The estimates of 100,000-200,000 do make sense stevenleser Aug 2015 #65

The military does not need a draft. former9thward Aug 2015 #13

It's not just about what's best for the military tabasco Aug 2015 #20

No, the draftees did not do very well in Vietnam. former9thward Aug 2015 #23

My brother was a draftee catnhatnh Aug 2015 #46

Glad he survived. former9thward Aug 2015 #47

"No professional in the military wants the draft" tabasco Aug 2015 #57

And your uninformed response is what I expect. former9thward Aug 2015 #60

In Vietnam combat Infantry line units, draftees performed just as well as enlistees pinboy3niner Aug 2015 #61

I can't believe we are re-fighting the Vietnam War. former9thward Aug 2015 #73

No more than unsupported allegations are little more than what we may expect from you. LanternWaste Aug 2015 #70

Do you support a draft? former9thward Aug 2015 #72

And people are crazy to volunteer to join the military. avebury Aug 2015 #29

If you want to reduce war then you reduce the military. former9thward Aug 2015 #32

And who decided that the US has to be the planet's military police? avebury Aug 2015 #37

Pretty much the entire rest of the world. Sad but true. nt stevenleser Aug 2015 #67

or maybe just poor and lacking in opportunity dsc Aug 2015 #43

What Jesse Jackson called "the economic draft" KamaAina Aug 2015 #69

DAMNED RIGHT! And THIS TIME, NO F-ING COLLEGE DEFERMENTS (aka 'other priorities')! TrollBuster9090 Aug 2015 #15

Fixed it for you passiveporcupine Aug 2015 #17

Hah! Thanks, Bernie! nt TrollBuster9090 Aug 2015 #58

Our house has advocated for a draft, for anymore wars! SoapBox Aug 2015 #16

I hope you don't oppose conscientious objectors passiveporcupine Aug 2015 #19

Conscientious Objectors should have the right to demand avebury Aug 2015 #34

What about medical deferments? sarge43 Aug 2015 #33

Absolutely. Women too. Put 'em all in the lottery. bullsnarfle Aug 2015 #86

Yes. Congress should (and is constitutionally obligated) to thoroughly debate PatrickforO Aug 2015 #21

Oh hell yes. I've thought so ever since Dubya's foreign adventures. Hekate Aug 2015 #24

NO DRAFT !!! Martin Eden Aug 2015 #25

Nice post! KamaAina Aug 2015 #59

And don't forget a war tax. N/T Hotler Aug 2015 #26

The best draft would be one where, the richer your family, the higher the chance n2doc Aug 2015 #27

Why would you think that? hughee99 Aug 2015 #85

Because in my draft there would be no deferments n2doc Aug 2015 #87

Bravo! Duppers Aug 2015 #92

These aren't deferments. These people serve in the military, just half a world away from combat. hughee99 Aug 2015 #98

Why? Aren't we killing enough people of color and people who live in poverty now? n/ jtuck004 Aug 2015 #30

I've said that a million times. It's the only way to tamp down the bloodlust. Nay Aug 2015 #31

What a dumb fucking idea. bowens43 Aug 2015 #35

Never support a war you yourself are not willing to fight. Oneironaut Aug 2015 #36

62 percent of voters support sending ground troops back to Iraq? progressoid Aug 2015 #40

I Have No Problem With That... You Want To Go To War... Put EVERYBODY'S Skin In The Game... WillyT Aug 2015 #44

I know you mean well but... Shandris Aug 2015 #48

A Draft would help clarify, for millions of clueless people ... nikto Aug 2015 #49

No more fucking war period! My family will onecaliberal Aug 2015 #51

Send the warmongers! blackspade Aug 2015 #52

A draft makes zero sense madville Aug 2015 #53

We ALREADY use robots to fight wars. They just don't mimic human looks. TrollBuster9090 Aug 2015 #81

Let those who want ground troops over there sign up first. City Lights Aug 2015 #55

Whoa, slow down, can't we just let Wall Street crash the economy again? Babel_17 Aug 2015 #56

If YOU want to fight ISIS on the ground, I should not be forced to do the fighting! n/t pampango Aug 2015 #62

Wilkerson is a genuine patriot who stood up to BFEE. Octafish Aug 2015 #63

Thanks. One of the few on this thread who Duppers Aug 2015 #91

Then, let's just leave ISIS alone nichomachus Aug 2015 #66

Peace Plan: Announce that you're going to draft all males between 18 and 50. Elwood P Dowd Aug 2015 #74

I'd support invading Iran, Syria and Iraq (again) if the following conditions were met: hatrack Aug 2015 #75

Is there a better way to deter moondust Aug 2015 #76

That might change a few fredamae Aug 2015 #78

I never met a rich draftee when I was in the Army 45 years ago. (nm) Elwood P Dowd Aug 2015 #79

Exactly n/t fredamae Aug 2015 #80

these are more than 45 years ago dsc Aug 2015 #83

No exemptions for rich kids this time. CanonRay Aug 2015 #82

He is so right. We could stop ISIS if we could stop the flow of equipment to it. JDPriestly Aug 2015 #84

Zactly! Duppers Aug 2015 #95

And all those who support social security spending should be taxed extra to pay for it. Donald Ian Rankin Aug 2015 #94

I am done with Iraq. The Jungle 1 Aug 2015 #96

The only problem with the draft is Perseus Aug 2015 #97

Spot on. dpatbrown Aug 2015 #100

If draft legislation had been included in the IWR it never would have passed loyalsister Aug 2015 #101