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Whiskeytide

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4. That's a valid analysis...
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 08:41 PM
Aug 2015

... But I suppose you would also have to factor in the prospect of retaliation by Israel's allies - like the US. I could see fanatics calculating that they could take out Israel before Israel could launch, but there would still be the threat of counter annihilation even if they accomplished that.

The real concern is that there might be people with access to the weapons who, due to religious conviction, don't really care about the prospects of a counter launch, and might even welcome it. MAD only works if both sides want to survive. (And I understand the overwhelming majority of Iranians don't think like that - but it's still a legit risk).

Eventually, just because, numerous middle eastern counties will have them, and the lack of stability in their governments means that, in time, someone will use them. There is no doubt in my mind what ISIL would do if they acquired one.

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I doubt the people of Iran would choose suicide by nuke seveneyes Aug 2015 #1
All it would take is an Ayatollah Huckabee, Santorum or McCain. OffWithTheirHeads Aug 2015 #2
Relative size and proximity jberryhill Aug 2015 #3
That's a valid analysis... Whiskeytide Aug 2015 #4
Yes, there could be an irrational belief in counterstrike survival jberryhill Aug 2015 #7
I won't go into as much detail Krytan11c Aug 2015 #11
And if Russia is Iran's ally for nuclear deterrent purposes? jberryhill Aug 2015 #17
they wouldn't -- it's all BS demagoguery on the part of neocons who need an enemy Fast Walker 52 Aug 2015 #5
Yup. Another excuse to make war profiteers richer by sending middle class and poor kids to die. EEO Aug 2015 #9
Israel has taken out a nuclear facility in the past Art_from_Ark Aug 2015 #6
I remember a few reports citing the Mossad, which concluded the underground facilities... EEO Aug 2015 #8
there isn't any lancer78 Aug 2015 #10
It amazes me how people cannot think from their opponent's perspective. EEO Aug 2015 #14
I agree with everything... Whiskeytide Aug 2015 #23
The argument is that you know "they" are crazy. And you know just what I mean by "they" Recursion Aug 2015 #12
We've been suffering from their arbitrary drawing of lines and creation of countries ever since. EEO Aug 2015 #13
30 October 1918 jberryhill Aug 2015 #19
MAD doesn't work between Iran and Israel jberryhill Aug 2015 #18
Part of Israel's rumored nuclear arsenal is subs. jeff47 Aug 2015 #26
Kinda hard to build those in secret jberryhill Aug 2015 #31
They didn't build them in secret. They bought them from Germany. jeff47 Aug 2015 #33
Not just Muslims, any religious fundamentalists are that crazy whatthehey Aug 2015 #22
Yeah, they think "Here's the button that brings Jesus back" if they get control jberryhill Aug 2015 #32
If you haven't seen it, I suggest watching the comedy "The Brink." Behind the Aegis Aug 2015 #35
Omg jberryhill Aug 2015 #41
Boom, there it is. Thank you. closeupready Aug 2015 #37
Don't hold your breath. You won't hear it. nt kelliekat44 Aug 2015 #15
I don't think that's necessarily the main concern davidn3600 Aug 2015 #16
It's not that they would launch nukes but rather they would use the threat of nukes to Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #20
I don't see a reason either davidpdx Aug 2015 #21
I don't think the country of Iran would nuke anyone, but GummyBearz Aug 2015 #24
Plausible Deniability. Mosby Aug 2015 #25
A more likely situation. Behind the Aegis Aug 2015 #30
"no one will be able to prove [the bomb's not Iran's]" - chemical signatures closeupready Aug 2015 #38
I think they can identify isotopes Mosby Aug 2015 #40
MAD works Gothmog Aug 2015 #27
Indeed. hifiguy Aug 2015 #28
Because politicians are not always rational... brooklynite Aug 2015 #29
Just arming themselves so we and Israel don't mess with them realFedUp Aug 2015 #34
I have yet to hear a good reason why Germany would risk its own destruction by attacking Russia... EX500rider Aug 2015 #36
Yes. Germans enthusiastically supported Hitler's "Total War!" speeches closeupready Aug 2015 #39
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