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ericson00

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39. where is your empirical data backing your claim up? Otherwise, your claim is no different than
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 01:05 PM
Aug 2015

"there is no global warming." Here is my empirical data:

1. Exit polls from election night 1992, a better method than just saying what one wants to believe, show that Clinton would have won over 50% of the vote absent Perot, and thus in more than 9 in 10 trials, the election.

2. George H.W. Bush's approval ratings in 1992 rivaled Jimmy Carter's in 1980. Both in their election years were not only lower than Reagan 84 and Clinton 96, but lower than Bush 04 and Obama 12. You don't win with under 40% and below approvals.

3. The GOP (and the anti-Clinton fringe left) also leave out that when Perot was not in the race, which was from July to the start of October 1992, Bush Sr. still polled near the 37% that approved of his performance and that he won in the end. Nate Silver, a data and stats expert, also disagrees with the idea that Perot cost Bush tho he does believe he hurt Clinton.

4. Ross Perot was not a conservative like Nader was a liberal or Trump is running as a conservative. Perot was pro-choice, pro-gay rights, and against trickle down economics.

5. For Bush to have won 270 EVs, he'd have needed to win almost every state (here's a hypo map: ) he lost by less than 5, which doesn't happen when a president has Carteresque election year approvals. Also note that he'd have needed WI, but Dukakis won that when Bush was popular, so Bush wasn't going to win when he was very unpopular. Remember, that map is a best-case scenario for a president with approvals we have not seen an incumbent pres beside Bush I who was seeking re-election have for 35 years. Bush Sr. and Jimmy Carter.

You cannot just make such huge claims like you have without empirical data. If you want to use a RW smear that goes against data, go join the GOP.

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Talk about closed body language. Skidmore Aug 2015 #13
Lady in the middle is saying HassleCat Aug 2015 #26
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the gasping of a fish on a dock. nt Javaman Aug 2015 #8
Now this is a man after my heart madokie Aug 2015 #10
Sounds like he knows there's not enough money in the world to buy him what he wants. Octafish Aug 2015 #11
what is that plan? ericson00 Aug 2015 #12
Perot got 19 percent of the vote in 1992. Octafish Aug 2015 #16
Ur repeating a RW talking point and you have no empirical data ericson00 Aug 2015 #17
No kidding it's not a RW forum. Octafish Aug 2015 #18
Your link backs ericson00's claim Bradical79 Aug 2015 #34
Great. So what's ericsson00 got to say about the Perot Plan? Octafish Aug 2015 #35
here is what you're referring to: ericson00 Aug 2015 #62
That is exactly what it is. Sad to see it here at DU randys1 Aug 2015 #28
Really? I can't point out that Perot got 19% of the vote? Octafish Aug 2015 #36
you cannot use it to imply or say he was a "spoiler" to Bush's detriment ericson00 Aug 2015 #43
such lies ought to be hidden and reported ericson00 Aug 2015 #41
LOL! You really must have gotten under somebody's skin. Rex Aug 2015 #20
Nobody appreciates a lecture more than me. Octafish Aug 2015 #25
Wrong, werent for Perot, Clinton would have won by a wider margin. randys1 Aug 2015 #27
Rachel Maddow? No fooling? Octafish Aug 2015 #40
that website clearly also mentions that a lot of states that "possibly" could have turned ericson00 Aug 2015 #42
'' Same dumb redneck data and math hating non-logic.'' Octafish Aug 2015 #48
what else should I call it? ericson00 Aug 2015 #49
Thanks for reminding me: Somehow, 12 years of Ronnie Reagan and Poppy Bush escaped justice. Octafish Aug 2015 #53
did Obama prosecute Bush II officials? Also, "Consortium" is not a real source ericson00 Aug 2015 #57
''you lose.'' Octafish Aug 2015 #59
or Bill Pascoe, the lone sane Republican voice who believes in data, not mythology ericson00 Aug 2015 #45
I always wonder to myself how different Clinton's presidency may have been ericson00 Aug 2015 #52
Nah, that poster's fun tularetom Aug 2015 #38
Dude or Dudette has a real talent for making me feel very, very small. Octafish Aug 2015 #44
in this argument, what facts did I refuse to face? ericson00 Aug 2015 #47
Who knows? Octafish Aug 2015 #50
please elaborate on: ericson00 Aug 2015 #51
Go look it up. Octafish Aug 2015 #54
I've done that, not just for me in the past, but also for you ericson00 Aug 2015 #58
Big deal. All I see is a wannabe Liberal making out like a real Liberal. Octafish Aug 2015 #61
where is your empirical data backing your claim up? Otherwise, your claim is no different than ericson00 Aug 2015 #39
I do love history and the data it has. ericson00 Aug 2015 #46
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The expressions on the faces of the two women hifiguy Aug 2015 #33
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