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ericson00

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42. that website clearly also mentions that a lot of states that "possibly" could have turned
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 01:15 PM
Aug 2015

were just that; possibly. Also of note- Carter still blames him for being a spoiler for many of the same reason Bushies accuse Perot after they get confronted with empirical data; he "weakened" me. Anderson is pushing IRV, and its easier to push if more can be construed to be "spoilers." I agree with IRV, but the data still suggests Perot had a near minimal effect.

A better source would actually use exit polls and shows the one state Perot may have changed showed an exit poll margin difference within the MoE that it could've stayed the same, but either way, Clinton wins an electoral landslide.


Ross Perot's presence on the 1992 presidential ballot did not change the outcome of the election, according to an analysis of the second choices of Perot supporters.

The analysis, based on exit polls conducted by Voter Research & Surveys (VRS) for the major news organizations, indicated that in Perot's absence, only Ohio would have have shifted from the Clinton column to the Bush column. This would still have left Clinton with a healthy 349-to-189 majority in the electoral college.

And even in Ohio, the hypothetical Bush "margin" without Perot in the race was so small that given the normal margin of error in polls, the state still might have stuck with Clinton absent the Texas billionaire.

In most states, the second choices of Perot voters only reinforced the actual outcome. For example, California, New York, Illinois and Oregon went to Clinton by large margins, and Perot voters in those states strongly preferred Clinton to Bush.


Perot-elected-Clinton is no different than "I am not a scientist." Same dumb redneck data and math hating non-logic.

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Sounds like he knows there's not enough money in the world to buy him what he wants. Octafish Aug 2015 #11
what is that plan? ericson00 Aug 2015 #12
Perot got 19 percent of the vote in 1992. Octafish Aug 2015 #16
Ur repeating a RW talking point and you have no empirical data ericson00 Aug 2015 #17
No kidding it's not a RW forum. Octafish Aug 2015 #18
Your link backs ericson00's claim Bradical79 Aug 2015 #34
Great. So what's ericsson00 got to say about the Perot Plan? Octafish Aug 2015 #35
here is what you're referring to: ericson00 Aug 2015 #62
That is exactly what it is. Sad to see it here at DU randys1 Aug 2015 #28
Really? I can't point out that Perot got 19% of the vote? Octafish Aug 2015 #36
you cannot use it to imply or say he was a "spoiler" to Bush's detriment ericson00 Aug 2015 #43
such lies ought to be hidden and reported ericson00 Aug 2015 #41
LOL! You really must have gotten under somebody's skin. Rex Aug 2015 #20
Nobody appreciates a lecture more than me. Octafish Aug 2015 #25
Wrong, werent for Perot, Clinton would have won by a wider margin. randys1 Aug 2015 #27
Rachel Maddow? No fooling? Octafish Aug 2015 #40
that website clearly also mentions that a lot of states that "possibly" could have turned ericson00 Aug 2015 #42
'' Same dumb redneck data and math hating non-logic.'' Octafish Aug 2015 #48
what else should I call it? ericson00 Aug 2015 #49
Thanks for reminding me: Somehow, 12 years of Ronnie Reagan and Poppy Bush escaped justice. Octafish Aug 2015 #53
did Obama prosecute Bush II officials? Also, "Consortium" is not a real source ericson00 Aug 2015 #57
''you lose.'' Octafish Aug 2015 #59
or Bill Pascoe, the lone sane Republican voice who believes in data, not mythology ericson00 Aug 2015 #45
I always wonder to myself how different Clinton's presidency may have been ericson00 Aug 2015 #52
Nah, that poster's fun tularetom Aug 2015 #38
Dude or Dudette has a real talent for making me feel very, very small. Octafish Aug 2015 #44
in this argument, what facts did I refuse to face? ericson00 Aug 2015 #47
Who knows? Octafish Aug 2015 #50
please elaborate on: ericson00 Aug 2015 #51
Go look it up. Octafish Aug 2015 #54
I've done that, not just for me in the past, but also for you ericson00 Aug 2015 #58
Big deal. All I see is a wannabe Liberal making out like a real Liberal. Octafish Aug 2015 #61
where is your empirical data backing your claim up? Otherwise, your claim is no different than ericson00 Aug 2015 #39
I do love history and the data it has. ericson00 Aug 2015 #46
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