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CTyankee

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Fri Aug 21, 2015, 06:35 PM Aug 2015

Of “Brillo Boxes” and “Campbell’s Soup Cans” by Andy Warhol [View all]

“Art? Isn’t that a man's name?" --Andy Warhol

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Brillo Boxes. 1964

Here’s the question: take a look at a picture of a real box of Brillo pads circa 1964 (good luck finding one, though). Then study the Warhol work of same. What makes the second one art but not the first one?

If there was nothing visible in Warhol’s sculpture to distinguish it from an ordinary object, philosophy professor and art essayist Arthur Danto wondered, what made it art? At a time when more and more artists were creating works lacking traditional artistic qualities, this was an urgent question.

“The history of art proceeds on two levels: as a sequence of objects and as a sequence of enfranchising theories for those objects." -- Arthur Danto

Leaving aside that Warhol’s sculpture was made of silk-screened plywood, not cardboard, the defining feature of the sculptural “Brillo Boxes” was, in Mr. Danto’s view, that it had a meaning; it was about something — consumer culture, for one thing. The real Brillo box had only a functional purpose. But how would you know whether you were looking at a meaningful or a merely functional object? The short answer from Professor Danto was: you knew because the Warhol box was presented as art in an art gallery. The Brillo pads to shine up your pots and pans were found on the shelves of your local supermarket where the cleaning products were placed. Functionality is key.

This led Professor Danto to propose a new way of defining art. The term would be bestowed not according to any “putatively intrinsic, aesthetic qualities” shared by all art works but by general agreement in the “artworld,” a community (an “electorate” in Danto’s words) that included artists, art historians, critics, curators, dealers and collectors who shared an understanding about the history and theory of modern art.

If that community accepted something as art, whatever its form, then it was art. This required an educated viewer. “To see something as art requires something the eye cannot descry — an atmosphere of artistic theory, a knowledge of the history of art: an ‘artworld.’”

As Danto says “What Warhol taught was that there is no way of telling the difference [between art and non-art] merely by looking. The eye, so prized an aesthetic organ when it was felt that the difference between art and non-art was visible, was philosophically of no use whatever when the differences proved instead to be invisible.”

Now comes Andy Warhol’s “Campbell Soup Cans” currently on loan to MoMA into October.

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So, what about the term “installation” itself? As with Warhol’s use of the term for his workplace as a “factory” instead of a “studio,” what does this tell us about his philosophy of modern art? Traditionally, art has been “shown” or “exhibited.” An “installation” is a term that could refer to someone getting a new muffler for a car. Or an air conditioning system in their house. In other words, an ordinary, workday activity that gets installers hands dirty, not some delicate operation involving museum workers wearing soft, white cotton gloves.

A brief note on my research for this essay when considering Warhol’s Campbell Soup Cans. I realized that I needed to check them out at my supermarket because I wanted to see if any of them still retain the tiny fleurs de lis ringing the bottom of the label (they don’t). However, when I was there I never remembered to do so, even though I regularly shop in the soup aisle. My “art mind” never played in while I was shopping for food, which leads me to give some credence to Danto’s theory about what art is.

About the fleur de lis: the Campbell soup company says,“We began using the Fleur De Lis on our Condensed soup in 1897 to represent the French culinary tradition and influence on our soups at that time. Condensed soup inventor Dr. John T. Dorrance worked in some of the top restaurants in Paris in the 1890s and studied the French culinary art during his summer breaks from college.”

Well, that is “interesting,” to say the least. Actually, Warhol never painted that fleur de lis. He used a rubber stamp of the image instead.

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So, is it art? Well, you are reading about it in an ART essay, right?

See how that works?

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If you have a chance to go to the Warhol museum in Pittsburgh, you should go. FSogol Aug 2015 #1
Thanks. I'm trying to get to MoMA for the soup cans with my art buddy... CTyankee Aug 2015 #2
Last Fall, I was visiting relatives in Pittsburgh and took my family there. We loved it and spent FSogol Aug 2015 #3
I am sure of that! It was such a smokestack place when I was at CMU... CTyankee Aug 2015 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author edhopper Aug 2015 #15
Soup or art? Makes me think of Lily Tomlin and Jane Wagner's character Trudy explaining human Bluenorthwest Aug 2015 #5
I got a HUGE laugh out of that! It's wonderful! CTyankee Aug 2015 #6
It is a running motif/gag in the play and in Lily's amazing performance of it it was very funny and Bluenorthwest Aug 2015 #7
some people get really annoyed with that answer and it makes me wonder... CTyankee Aug 2015 #8
"But is it art?" gratuitous Aug 2015 #9
well, there is a difference between satire and art or at least I think there is... CTyankee Aug 2015 #10
It's art edhopper Aug 2015 #11
there are so many philosophical dimensions to Warhol's work as it progresses CTyankee Aug 2015 #12
The tragedy of Van Gogh was edhopper Aug 2015 #18
He was pretty sick, IIRC. I did an essay here on Starry Night... CTyankee Aug 2015 #19
No question he had serious mental illness edhopper Aug 2015 #20
First I'll address Danto edhopper Aug 2015 #13
So what you are saying I think is that functionality is pretty much key here. CTyankee Aug 2015 #14
Yes edhopper Aug 2015 #16
About Warhol edhopper Aug 2015 #17
I read that Warhol had originally wanted to do comic book art but Roy beat him to CTyankee Aug 2015 #21
This Rockwell edhopper Aug 2015 #32
it's funny, he's trying for all those great artists and he gets this...it shows he was CTyankee Aug 2015 #34
Rococo edhopper Aug 2015 #38
mine too. By far. Mannerism is another, with a very few exceptions. CTyankee Aug 2015 #40
Magritte kinda did the same thing (love your avatar!)... CTyankee Aug 2015 #28
The Magrtitte show at MOMA a few years ago edhopper Aug 2015 #29
I need a better explanation of his surrealism. This could take all day... CTyankee Aug 2015 #31
Juxtaposition of things that are related in some way, edhopper Aug 2015 #33
Thanks. But I do think Magritte had a sneaky kind of sense of humor in his works. CTyankee Aug 2015 #35
Oh edhopper Aug 2015 #37
how does This is not a Pipe fit your definition of surrealism, tho? CTyankee Aug 2015 #39
Surrealism is more than strange paintings edhopper Aug 2015 #47
Ah. This is what I get, too. CTyankee Aug 2015 #48
Pollack, yes. edhopper Aug 2015 #49
"I've got a brillo box and I say it's art." johnp3907 Aug 2015 #22
That's a great song. I didn't know it. CTyankee Aug 2015 #24
It's from the album Songs For Drella. johnp3907 Aug 2015 #27
I agree with this entire post. I think these works are, in part, a commentary RadiationTherapy Aug 2015 #23
so much research is possible now and sharing of images. I couldn't do this without CTyankee Aug 2015 #25
I have stopped answering that question. blogslut Aug 2015 #26
You can drive yourself nuts trying to solve that question... CTyankee Aug 2015 #30
Back in the 70s I went to the grocery and bought a box of brillos. PufPuf23 Aug 2015 #36
I love it! What a great story! CTyankee Aug 2015 #41
Can of Spam PufPuf23 Aug 2015 #45
Oh, boy! Now you've got my heart! Not with Spam which I would never even try to eat CTyankee Aug 2015 #46
This should probably be posted here: johnp3907 Aug 2015 #42
There you go... CTyankee Aug 2015 #43
Nice! johnp3907 Aug 2015 #44
kick Liberal_in_LA Aug 2015 #50
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