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In reply to the discussion: What is a Democratic Socialist? [View all]muriel_volestrangler
(106,636 posts)66. The Facebooker who wrote that changed a few of the DSA statements
Here's the original, with the changes in italics:
A Democratic Socialist is not a Marxist Socialist or a Communist. A Democratic Socialist is one who seeks to restrain the self-destructive excesses of capitalism and channel the Governments use of our tax money into creating opportunities for everyone
Democratic socialists believe that both the economy and society should be run democraticallyto meet public needs, not to make profits for a few.To achieve a more just society, many structures of our government and economy must be radically transformed through greater economic and social democracy so that ordinary Americans can participate in the many decisions that affect our lives.
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In the short term we cant eliminateA Democratic Socialist does not want to destroy private corporations, but we candoes want to bring them under greater democratic control. The government could use regulations and tax incentives to encourage companies to act in the public interest and outlaw destructive activities such as exporting jobs to low-wage countries and polluting our environment. Public pressure can also have a critical role to play in the struggle to hold corporations accountable. Most of all, socialists look to unions to make private business more accountable.
http://www.dsausa.org/what_is_democratic_socialism
Democratic socialists believe that both the economy and society should be run democraticallyto meet public needs, not to make profits for a few.
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http://www.dsausa.org/what_is_democratic_socialism
And worth putting in their first answer, as their basic economic stance:
Democratic socialists do not want to create an all-powerful government bureaucracy. But we do not want big corporate bureaucracies to control our society either. Rather, we believe that social and economic decisions should be made by those whom they most affect.
Today, corporate executives who answer only to themselves and a few wealthy stockholders make basic economic decisions affecting millions of people. Resources are used to make money for capitalists rather than to meet human needs. We believe that the workers and consumers who are affected by economic institutions should own and control them.
Social ownership could take many forms, such as worker-owned cooperatives or publicly owned enterprises managed by workers and consumer representatives. Democratic socialists favor as much decentralization as possible. While the large concentrations of capital in industries such as energy and steel may necessitate some form of state ownership, many consumer-goods industries might be best run as cooperatives.
Democratic socialists have long rejected the belief that the whole economy should be centrally planned. While we believe that democratic planning can shape major social investments like mass transit, housing, and energy, market mechanisms are needed to determine the demand for many consumer goods.
Today, corporate executives who answer only to themselves and a few wealthy stockholders make basic economic decisions affecting millions of people. Resources are used to make money for capitalists rather than to meet human needs. We believe that the workers and consumers who are affected by economic institutions should own and control them.
Social ownership could take many forms, such as worker-owned cooperatives or publicly owned enterprises managed by workers and consumer representatives. Democratic socialists favor as much decentralization as possible. While the large concentrations of capital in industries such as energy and steel may necessitate some form of state ownership, many consumer-goods industries might be best run as cooperatives.
Democratic socialists have long rejected the belief that the whole economy should be centrally planned. While we believe that democratic planning can shape major social investments like mass transit, housing, and energy, market mechanisms are needed to determine the demand for many consumer goods.
(The evolution of the definition seems to have gone via this Facebook page, which had:
"As a short term goal the Democratic Socialist does not want to destroy private corporations, but does want to bring them under greater democratic control. ...", and added the initial paragraph about "not a Marxist Socialist or a Communist".
https://www.facebook.com/DemocraticSocialist/photos/a.522929914521718.1073741830.519136358234407/536466779834698/?type=1&permPage=1
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Never has worked...never will...no matter WHO tries to implement that system.nt
clarice
Aug 2015
#15
Excellent post! I have run into right wing trolls on this site who understand so little
PatrickforO
Aug 2015
#3
I knew that! We're definitely cool. But when the general election comes around and
PatrickforO
Aug 2015
#37
"... combines oligarchy with chest-pounding nationalism." Sounds like we have a little bit of
Stardust
Aug 2015
#58
The answer is, because that is an incorrect definition. The word Socialism in the definition isnt
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#13
"Democratic Socialists are anti-Capitalist and would seek to do away with Capitalism"
brooklynite
Aug 2015
#17
Is that what you call me having links to back me up? No wonder you are so confused! nt
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#47
Better than helping communist dictatorships like the Koch family did with Stalin!
cascadiance
Aug 2015
#60
The OP is confusing Social Democracy with Democratic Socialism. Democratic Socialists would agree
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#14
In a Boolean situation, what would you have him do, caucus with the GOP or vote with them?
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#62
Simple, you tried to make a judgement based on who he caucuses with and votes with.
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#69
That is an incorrect definition. The Actual Democratic Socialists of America describe themselves
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#11
They believe in working within capitalism AND within the Democratic Party. See Reply 27.
merrily
Aug 2015
#29
As far as it will take them, sure. But they are also clearly against Capitalism and for Socialism.
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#49
I'm always puzzled when I read that about Americans fearing becoming like Norway or
Stardust
Aug 2015
#59
You are most welcome. Carey explains how Capital rose to defend itself with a bodyguard of lies.
Octafish
Aug 2015
#61
It doesn't matter what the actual Def is: Socialism is defined by those who practice it.
lewebley3
Aug 2015
#19
Sure, Definitions don't matter, only stuff people pull out of their ears matters.
merrily
Aug 2015
#22
I am Dem I could not vote for socialist. Sanders should not be in the Dem party
lewebley3
Aug 2015
#36
He's not a Socialist, so no worries. See Reply 27 and the threads linked in that post.
merrily
Aug 2015
#38
I watch this man career for about 25 years: He refused to join the Dem for years
lewebley3
Aug 2015
#40
You think Dean (former Gov of Vermont and former DNC head) and Schumer didn't also watch his career?
merrily
Aug 2015
#41
Yes, this is the mentality you see down there in many cases. Time for an edumacation!!!
cascadiance
Aug 2015
#64
THANK YOU!!!! It is a shame that we live in the only western democracy where it is necessary
Douglas Carpenter
Aug 2015
#65