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Octafish

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11. Thank them for their service.
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 03:46 PM
Aug 2015


Economist Tyler Cowen of George Mason University has seen the future and it looks bleak for most of us. Thankfully, the United States of America may be in for good times, especially for those perched atop the socio-economic pyramid scheme, should war break out.



The Pitfalls of Peace

The Lack of Major Wars May Be Hurting Economic Growth

Tyler Cowen
The New York Times, JUNE 13, 2014

The continuing slowness of economic growth in high-income economies has prompted soul-searching among economists. They have looked to weak demand, rising inequality, Chinese competition, over-regulation, inadequate infrastructure and an exhaustion of new technological ideas as possible culprits.

An additional explanation of slow growth is now receiving attention, however. It is the persistence and expectation of peace.

The world just hasn’t had that much warfare lately, at least not by historical standards. Some of the recent headlines about Iraq or South Sudan make our world sound like a very bloody place, but today’s casualties pale in light of the tens of millions of people killed in the two world wars in the first half of the 20th century. Even the Vietnam War had many more deaths than any recent war involving an affluent country.

Counterintuitive though it may sound, the greater peacefulness of the world may make the attainment of higher rates of economic growth less urgent and thus less likely. This view does not claim that fighting wars improves economies, as of course the actual conflict brings death and destruction. The claim is also distinct from the Keynesian argument that preparing for war lifts government spending and puts people to work. Rather, the very possibility of war focuses the attention of governments on getting some basic decisions right — whether investing in science or simply liberalizing the economy. Such focus ends up improving a nation’s longer-run prospects.

It may seem repugnant to find a positive side to war in this regard, but a look at American history suggests we cannot dismiss the idea so easily. Fundamental innovations such as nuclear power, the computer and the modern aircraft were all pushed along by an American government eager to defeat the Axis powers or, later, to win the Cold War. The Internet was initially designed to help this country withstand a nuclear exchange, and Silicon Valley had its origins with military contracting, not today’s entrepreneurial social media start-ups. The Soviet launch of the Sputnik satellite spurred American interest in science and technology, to the benefit of later economic growth.

War brings an urgency that governments otherwise fail to summon. For instance, the Manhattan Project took six years to produce a working atomic bomb, starting from virtually nothing, and at its peak consumed 0.4 percent of American economic output. It is hard to imagine a comparably speedy and decisive achievement these days.

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Living in a largely peaceful world with 2 percent G.D.P. growth has some big advantages that you don’t get with 4 percent growth and many more war deaths. Economic stasis may not feel very impressive, but it’s something our ancestors never quite managed to pull off. The real questions are whether we can do any better, and whether the recent prevalence of peace is a mere temporary bubble just waiting to be burst.

Tyler Cowen is a professor of economics at George Mason University.

SOURCE: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/14/upshot/the-lack-of-major-wars-may-be-hurting-economic-growth.html?_r=0



[font color="purple"]Dr. Cowen, from what I've read, is a fine person and not one to promulgate war. He's just sayin'.

He has commented on other Big Ticket economic themes impacting us today: "Inequality," for another instance.
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Tired Of Inequality? One Economist Says It'll Only Get Worse

by NPR STAFF
September 12, 2013 3:05 AM

Economist Tyler Cowen has some advice for what to do about America's income inequality: Get used to it. In his latest book, Average Is Over, Cowen lays out his prediction for where the U.S. economy is heading, like it or not:

"I think we'll see a thinning out of the middle class," he tells NPR's Steve Inskeep. "We'll see a lot of individuals rising up to much greater wealth. And we'll also see more individuals clustering in a kind of lower-middle class existence."

It's a radical change from the America of 40 or 50 years ago. Cowen believes the wealthy will become more numerous, and even more powerful. The elderly will hold on to their benefits ... the young, not so much. Millions of people who might have expected a middle class existence may have to aspire to something else.

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Some people, he predicts, may just have to find a new definition of happiness that costs less money. Cowen says this widening is the result of a shifting economy. Computers will play a larger role and people who can work with computers can make a lot. He also predicts that everyone will be ruthlessly graded — every slice of their lives, monitored, tracked and recorded.

CONTINUED with link to the audio...

http://www.npr.org/2013/09/12/221425582/tired-of-inequality-one-economist-says-itll-only-get-worse



For some reason, the interview with Steve Inskeep didn't bring up the subject of the GOVERNMENT DOING SOMETHING ABOUT IT LIKE IN THE NEW DEAL so I thought I'd bring it up. Older DUers may recall the Democratic Party once actually did do stuff for the average American, from school and work to housing and justice. But, we can't afford that now, obviously, thanks to austerity or the sequester or the divided government.

What's important is that the 1-percent may swell to a 15-percent "upper middle class." Unfortunately, that may see the rest of the middle class go the other way. Why does that ring a bell? Oh yeah.

"Commercial interests are very powerful interests," said George W Bush on Feb. 14, 2007 White House press conference in which he added, "Let me put it this way, ah, sometimes, ah, money trumps peace." And then he giggled and not a single member of the callow, cowed and corrupt press corpse saw fit to ask a follow-up.



Gold Star mom Cindy Sheehan tried to bring it to our nation's attention back in 2007. I don't recall even one reporter from the national corporate owned news seeing it fit to comment. Certainly not many have commented on how three generations of Bush men -- Senator Prescott Sheldon Bush, President George Herbert Walker Bush and pretzeldent George Walker Bush all had their eyes on Iraq's oil.

I wish the Press had done its job. Those in authority would have to do their job. Millions might still be alive, the People might use the money spent on wars in better ways, and the Republic might see a return to Justice.

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W is guilty as heck Gothmog Aug 2015 #1
''Money trumps peace.'' -- George Walker Bush Octafish Aug 2015 #7
Sadly MIC = big $$$$$'s, and they don't want to interrupt that gravy train! n/t RKP5637 Aug 2015 #51
Her prosthetic is red, white and blue. DirkGently Aug 2015 #2
Their countenances are so revealing I almost feel sorry for their eternal souls. Octafish Aug 2015 #8
Like the Great Gatsby, they are not like us. American's have no idea how different they really are. jalan48 Aug 2015 #20
''The Aspens'' Octafish Aug 2015 #56
Would love to know the true nature of that underground connected-ness. Cracklin Charlie Aug 2015 #81
What a curious picture. MADem Aug 2015 #3
Yeah. It tells the Story of America since the war in Vietnam. Octafish Aug 2015 #9
GHW Bush went to university at a school that was commonly mined for intelligence assets. MADem Aug 2015 #18
Do people really believe Reagan was the real President? Bush Sr. got 12 years. jalan48 Aug 2015 #22
No, that's not accurate. Jim Baker was POTUS during the Reagan years. MADem Aug 2015 #24
I think given Bush's position as former CIA Director he was more powerful. jalan48 Aug 2015 #27
Nope. He was The Spy Who Was Often Left Out in the Cold for eight years. MADem Aug 2015 #33
serendipity? reddread Aug 2015 #41
This isn't creative speculation. nt MADem Aug 2015 #53
so quit making stuff up reddread Aug 2015 #60
I'm not. So stop accusing me of doing that. MADem Aug 2015 #65
already lived through it, even paid attention. reddread Aug 2015 #71
I was living in Iran at the time. I don't think the fact that you happened to be alive during the MADem Aug 2015 #84
If Bush was running the Reagan White House, why did he ignore the S&L crisis? ieoeja Aug 2015 #85
He did as his son Neil Bush ripped a billion from Silverado Savings. Octafish Aug 2015 #90
ignore it? reddread Aug 2015 #95
Yep. Agreed 100%. GoneFishin Aug 2015 #57
That's not what Special Prosecutor Lawrence Walsh said. Octafish Aug 2015 #44
Bush was in "orders-taking" mode; he wasn't calling those shots. MADem Aug 2015 #55
That's just what Poppy said: ''I was out of the loop.'' Octafish Aug 2015 #59
Bush was not the ACTOR, though. In the OTHER sense of the world. MADem Aug 2015 #68
Agents for Bush Octafish Aug 2015 #69
You're proving my point, though--in 1980, he ran against Reagan, and LOST. MADem Aug 2015 #70
The Ayatollah Khomeini didn't care as long as the check cleared. Octafish Aug 2015 #77
Cheap George wouldn't even pay half the cost of a debate. MADem Aug 2015 #82
Jim Baker's connections were closer to Bush than Reagan and Bush came before Baker. Uncle Joe Aug 2015 #99
they took the VP spot, not by luck. reddread Aug 2015 #96
We're miles apart on this and unlikely to find concordance. nt MADem Aug 2015 #97
i know reddread Aug 2015 #98
Poppy got powerful via National Security Decision Directive No. 159 (NSDD 159) Octafish Aug 2015 #25
It does tell the story…. zentrum Aug 2015 #50
Babs has her hand on Bush Sr. as if to say..."there, there, don't drool in public" dixiegrrrrl Aug 2015 #21
Barbara is known for not allowing such unpleasantries deutsey Aug 2015 #72
It telling that's for sure. Agschmid Aug 2015 #66
Laura looks like she just saw one of these- snooper2 Aug 2015 #79
Pickles is oblivious Electric Monk Aug 2015 #4
I feel sorry for her, but not as much as for other people... Octafish Aug 2015 #10
LARVA mithnanthy Aug 2015 #36
disgusting family wendylaroux Aug 2015 #5
Thank them for their service. Octafish Aug 2015 #11
So the next time we hear Jeb say we need "4% economic growth", what he is really saying is: sorechasm Aug 2015 #54
says it all - just one data point on the cost of a needless war HFRN Aug 2015 #6
Truly heartbreaking image for Lt. Stockwell and all the ''Wounded Warriors.'' Octafish Aug 2015 #14
That family is a human disgrace. Dont call me Shirley Aug 2015 #12
Harold Pinter is one human being they should know... Octafish Aug 2015 #48
SHAMESHAMESHAMESHAMESHAMEfullspectrumdominanceSHAMESHAMESHAMESHAMESHAME Dont call me Shirley Aug 2015 #93
I wonder what Barbara (Why should I waste my beautiful mind?) Bush is thinking? Brother Buzz Aug 2015 #13
A heartbreaking set of priorities. Octafish Aug 2015 #67
No more Bush...EVER! SoapBox Aug 2015 #15
War Criminal and Traitor Octafish Aug 2015 #78
Bush the elder is wondering how it would look with hot pink socks like his lunatica Aug 2015 #16
Smirko said he and Poppy talk a lot about the ladies. Octafish Aug 2015 #94
Great post! Omaha Steve Aug 2015 #17
Cool leg!! oldandhappy Aug 2015 #19
Nice, but given the choice, she prefers the original. Octafish Aug 2015 #91
Reminds me of a Doonesbury book: "Guilty, Guilty, Guilty!" camelfan Aug 2015 #23
Reminds me of this one someone posted the other day. Rex Aug 2015 #26
Is that Damiena? WinkyDink Aug 2015 #31
I was thinking a young Laura Bush. Rex Aug 2015 #32
Dang, she IS so pointing! Probably subconsciously (but revealingly, with the smile). WinkyDink Aug 2015 #34
I was thinking that too, subconsciously. Almost childlike (or in a drugged state). Rex Aug 2015 #35
the bad seed snooper2 Aug 2015 #80
Don't you need a conscious to feel guilty? nt logosoco Aug 2015 #28
That was my thought, too RufusTFirefly Aug 2015 #42
Reminds me of Urkell, "did I do that?" NightWatcher Aug 2015 #29
But how is Bar's beautiful brain?! WinkyDink Aug 2015 #30
cool artificial leg Liberal_in_LA Aug 2015 #37
Will Laura ever lose that "Prozac is my friend" look? lpbk2713 Aug 2015 #38
Would you if you were married to Dubya? Rex Aug 2015 #43
Good point. lpbk2713 Aug 2015 #45
Yes exactly, his shoulders are a dead giveaway he is in defensive mode. Rex Aug 2015 #52
look at the sheer cowardice in his eyes: he knows that any vet, even if totally vetted, MisterP Aug 2015 #39
It sure does. mountain grammy Aug 2015 #40
Bar and Poppy libodem Aug 2015 #46
Trouble is ... lpbk2713 Aug 2015 #49
Heck yeah! And check out the look on his mother's face! MsMAC Aug 2015 #47
This image says it all. Horrendous. Thank you, Octafish. n/t Judi Lynn Aug 2015 #58
LOVE it that Lt. Stockwell wore a skirt!! HeiressofBickworth Aug 2015 #61
Why yes, George. Yes, you did do that. n/t lumberjack_jeff Aug 2015 #62
Damn skippy. hifiguy Aug 2015 #63
Holy shit! Dubya is guilty. Enthusiast Aug 2015 #64
That is a powerful photo. blackspade Aug 2015 #73
Did anyone else notice . . . OldRedneck Aug 2015 #74
"Miss me yet?" A: Hell no and you can stop asking. GreatGazoo Aug 2015 #75
The fact she's there shows she is a Bush supporter treestar Aug 2015 #76
Only one of four Bushes knows how to respond to the Pledge of Allegiance sinkingfeeling Aug 2015 #83
That was phantom pain, Octafish Generic Other Aug 2015 #86
gergee w bush, destroyer of people, lands, & historic treasures. and the crap pansypoo53219 Aug 2015 #87
if anybody should be drug tested its the Bushes olddots Aug 2015 #88
Laura too two many valiums today. Bu she looks happy! Elmer S. E. Dump Aug 2015 #89
His paintings must really be helping his beautiful mind stay in order. Rex Aug 2015 #92
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